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    re: "I'm struggling to believe Friday was the day as its too short"


    So what is there in scripture that makes it necessary for the crucifixion to have taken place on the 6th day of the week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rstrats View Post
    Cardinal TT,
    re: "I'm struggling to believe Friday was the day as its too short"


    So what is there in scripture that makes it necessary for the crucifixion to have taken place on the 6th day of the week?
    The confusion comes because scripture calls 'holy days' the sabbath and people thought it literally meant Saturday. Jesus was crucified on the Passover and the next day was called a sabbath but it meant it was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    The confusion comes because scripture calls 'holy days' the sabbath and people thought it literally meant Saturday. Jesus was crucified on the Passover and the next day was called a sabbath but it meant it was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread
    Okay so that moves the whole chronology but it doesn't change the fact that he died towards the end of one day, was dead during that evening, the next night, day, next night and then he rose early in the morning on the third day, probably 36-42 hours later or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Okay so that moves the whole chronology but it doesn't change the fact that he died towards the end of one day, was dead during that evening, the next night, day, next night and then he rose early in the morning on the third day, probably 36-42 hours later or so.
    If you move the time frame to a Wednesday 3pm when he died then Jesus could fulfill 3 days and 3 nights before rising

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    Perhaps someone new visiting this topic who believes that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week and who tries to explain the lack of a third night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech may know of examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    If you move the time frame to a Wednesday 3pm when he died then Jesus could fulfill 3 days and 3 nights before rising
    It would have to be that way since the verse says that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, which is Sunday. But then we have a minimum of 4 nights and 3 days, not counting wednesday evening and sunday morning. If we do then we get 5 days and 4 nights.

    Wevening, Wnight, Tday, Tnight, Fday, Fnight, Satday, Satnight, Sundmorning.

    I find the version that Nikos rendered more reasonable.

    There's also the very reason why the women returned to the grave on Sunday instead of on Saturday, they had to remain at home during the Sabbath. If there were two sabbaths, one on Thursday and then another on Saturday then they should have gone to the grave on Friday, the in-between day. Only three sabbath days in a row would account for their absence. I don't see any indication of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    It would have to be that way since the verse says that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, which is Sunday. But then we have a minimum of 4 nights and 3 days, not counting wednesday evening and sunday morning. If we do then we get 5 days and 4 nights.

    Wevening, Wnight, Tday, Tnight, Fday, Fnight, Satday, Satnight, Sundmorning.

    I find the version that Nikos rendered more reasonable.

    There's also the very reason why the women returned to the grave on Sunday instead of on Saturday, they had to remain at home during the Sabbath. If there were two sabbaths, one on Thursday and then another on Saturday then they should have gone to the grave on Friday, the in-between day. Only three sabbath days in a row would account for their absence. I don't see any indication of this.

    It either had to be Wednesday or a slight possibility of Thursday as Friday is impossible due to the woman having to purchase and prepare the spices on a non sabbath day.
    If Jesus was crucified Friday they could not do any work the next day and therefore could not purchase or prepare the spices for Sunday morning

    There is a small window if Jesus was crucified Thursday 3pm to quickly purchase the spices but that seems unlikely due to the emotions of everyone involved as well as other factors


    Mark 16:1 - Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.

    Notice they bought the spices after the sabbath - this is the high day on Unleavened bread
    The Greek word bought means - 'to purchase' which is even used today in modern Greek


    John also confirms it was a 'High day' not a normal sabbath/Saturday

    John 19:31 - Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    It either had to be Wednesday or a slight possibility of Thursday as Friday is impossible due to the woman having to purchase and prepare the spices on a non sabbath day.
    If Jesus was crucified Friday they could not do any work the next day and therefore could not purchase or prepare the spices for Sunday morning

    There is a small window if Jesus was crucified Thursday 3pm to quickly purchase the spices but that seems unlikely due to the emotions of everyone involved as well as other factors


    Mark 16:1 - Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.

    Notice they bought the spices after the sabbath - this is the high day on Unleavened bread
    The Greek word bought means - 'to purchase' which is even used today in modern Greek


    John also confirms it was a 'High day' not a normal sabbath/Saturday

    John 19:31 - Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
    "when the sabbath was past" could have been very late in the evening (including after midnight) on Saturday when the Sabbath was officially over or very early in the morning on Sunday. Vendors didn't work 9-5 in those days.

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    I have given my answer. I will not debate it.
    I agree, you shouldnt debate it because you are wrong

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