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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I already stated that it is the opposite of Calvinism. Which doesn't imply that it is free of the mindsets involved in Calvinism. For instance :

    Calvinism : Foreknowledge implies predestination. God predestines and has foreknowledge

    Victorywordism : Foreknowledge implies predestination. God does not predestine and consequently cannot have foreknowledge

    Same mindset, different conclusions

    ying and yang, opposite but part of the same whole

    I'm gonna report you for using Eastern Symbolism=New Age Philosophy=You are a deceived Christian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I already stated that it is the opposite of Calvinism. Which doesn't imply that it is free of the mindsets involved in Calvinism. For instance :

    Calvinism : Foreknowledge implies predestination. God predestines and has foreknowledge

    Victorywordism : Foreknowledge implies predestination. God does not predestine and consequently cannot have foreknowledge

    Same mindset, different conclusions

    ying and yang, opposite but part of the same whole

    Very interesting. Makes theological sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    Very interesting. Makes theological sense to me.
    Maybe with the comparison of those doctrines, but not where God Himself is concerned. In yin and yang those little dots there represent there is some darkness in the light, and some light in the darkness. God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. And there is no light in evil at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    I'm gonna report you for using Eastern Symbolism=New Age Philosophy=You are a deceived Christian


    For using it about the errors of Calvinism and its diametrical opposite Victorywordism ? You could try reporting me for implicitly claiming that those represent deceived Christians (that claim would be going a bit far). In reality ying and yang represent a failure to conceptually eradicate evil from a meaningful world and instead it's integrated into it. The same way, Victoryword can't seem to get free of Calvinism and has to set up its diametrical opposite that works according to the same rulebook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Maybe with the comparison of those doctrines, but not where God Himself is concerned. In yin and yang those little dots there represent there is some darkness in the light, and some light in the darkness. God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. And there is no light in evil at all.
    It's a mess where darkness belongs as much as the light does. No happiness without the experience of pain etc.

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    I actually looked at the YinYang for a refresh. It is a philosophical construct that serves as a way to show how particular terms relate to each other. It is NOT inherently a religious term, but religions can use it as a basis or reference point for their religious content. Taoism uses yin yang extensively, so Christian theologies tend to avoid the term to avoid the association.

    BUT, We here at LFF know how to use various tools at our disposal without fear of misjudgment. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    I actually looked at the YinYang for a refresh. It is a philosophical construct that serves as a way to show how particular terms relate to each other. It is NOT inherently a religious term, but religions can use it as a basis or reference point for their religious content. Taoism uses yin yang extensively, so Christian theologies tend to avoid the term to avoid the association.

    BUT, We here at LFF know how to use various tools at our disposal without fear of misjudgment. :)
    To me Christianity is liberty in the light, liberty from the darkness. Totally different. There are many colors of light and they may balance each other. The darkness is an alien element.

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