Thread: Music, language of the soul?

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MY conclusion is that as scripture warns us we need to be careful what we hear....be careful little ears what you hear...

I would like to share a brief testimony....a while back I was out and about and found myself searching for a country music channel on the radio. Found one with the 'oldies'. After listening to a few songs I disengaged with my emotions and memories flooding in and asked myself 'If you continue to listen to this will you move toward the Lord or away from Him?' Well needless to say I turned off the radio and began to pray in tongues.

Do you believe as this teacher says, that music contains a moral component that ALL people 'hear' and respond to?

And if so, do you examine and give close attention to your soul's response to what you are hearing?

Are you believe you are able to listen but not be influenced by it?

Do you wonder why someone next to you is moved by a song and you 'feel' nothing?

Is music penetrating and influencing our soul even when we are not actively listening?

Ever been shopping and giving no thought to the music coming through their PA and suddenly finding yourself singing an old song you had not thought of in years only to realize you were hearing it without actually giving attention to it?

Has the Spirit ever warned you about what you were listening to and advised you to get off the 'tight rope' so to speak?

Originally Posted by Quest

1. Is music penetrating and influencing our soul even when we are not actively listening?

2. Ever been shopping and giving no thought to the music coming through their PA and suddenly finding yourself singing an old song you had not thought of in years only to realize you were hearing it without actually giving attention to it?

3. Has the Spirit ever warned you about what you were listening to and advised you to get off the 'tight rope' so to speak?

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The Holy Spirit taught me many years ago after I had gone through some lust bondage these two thing:

1. What you expose your soul to it will conform to.

2. What you give your attention to, you will develop affection for.

And taught me the only control we have is to NOT EXPOSE OURSELVES TO IT. One you choose to indulge by exposing yourself to it, it has its effect whether you want it to or not. You can't watch or listen to something damaging and and say, "Well that doesn't affect me." You're deceiving yourself. It does. The only control you have is to not expose it to yourself in the first place. Now I'm not saying watching or listening to something one time 'damages' you per se, but it starts the process. And if you continue you WILL conform to it. That's how we are made.

Now having said that, and knowing those 2 principles I stated above, we can do the same thing and purposely expose ourselves to righteous, godly, and holy things. That's part of the principle of meditation of the Word. Exposing yourself to the Word on purpose in order to expose yourself to it so that your soul will conform to it and give it attention so that you will gain affection for it. Confession is a part of meditation. We expose ourselves to the Word out our own mouth and our soul conforms to it and we develop affection for it.

Proverbs 4
20 My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings.

21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.

22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

24 Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

25 Let thine eyes look right on, and let thine eyelids look straight before thee.


Joshua 1
8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Originally Posted by fuego

The Holy Spirit taught me many years ago after I had gone through some lust bondage these two thing:

1. What you expose your soul to it will conform to.

2. What you give your attention to, you will develop affection for.

And taught me the only control we have is to NOT EXPOSE OURSELVES TO IT. One you choose to indulge by exposing yourself to it, it has its effect whether you want it to or not. You can't watch or listen to something damaging and and say, "Well that doesn't affect me." You're deceiving yourself. It does. The only control you have is to not expose it to yourself in the first place. Now I'm not saying watching or listening to something one time 'damages' you per se, but it starts the process. And if you continue you WILL conform to it. That's how we are made.

Now having said that, and knowing those 2 principles I stated above, we can do the same thing and purposely expose ourselves to righteous, godly, and holy things. That's part of the principle of meditation of the Word. Exposing yourself to the Word on purpose in order to expose yourself to it so that your soul will conform to it and give it attention so that you will gain affection for it. Confession is a part of meditation. We expose ourselves to the Word out our own mouth and our soul conforms to it and we develop affection for it.

Proverbs 4
20 My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings.

21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.

22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

24 Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

25 Let thine eyes look right on, and let thine eyelids look straight before thee.


Joshua 1
8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

There is also the following principle :

Heb 5:14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Being able to discern good and evil in all things lessens the power of what one is exposed to. Then there is the communion with the Holy Spirit who searches all things. When I have those things in addition to the Word in my heart and mind then I don't need to live in fear and I don't need to withdraw from the world to where I can't or don't relate to people anymore. Some things are best avoided even if they don't spell sin per default but then the mentioned things produce godly desires and a natural disgust for that which is ungodly.

Did anyone watch the video...he makes the point that the music, not the lyrics hold moral value....and demonstrated segments of music without lyrics and how these small segments affected people worldwide the same way....

Have you heard 'Christian' music that disturbed you? Chances are some of it is literally Satanic in origin with Christian lyrics to shroud it....

Music is definitely not a harmless pastime.....

Originally Posted by Quest

Did anyone watch the video...he makes the point that the music, not the lyrics hold moral value....and demonstrated segments of music without lyrics and how these small segments affected people worldwide the same way....

Have you heard 'Christian' music that disturbed you? Chances are some of it is literally Satanic in origin with Christian lyrics to shroud it....

Music is definitely not a harmless pastime.....

Sounds a lot to me like one of those "Eat Not Touch Not" type teachings ...

There is simply no verse for that ... yes we know that Music does have an effect on dopamine production but the morality of the music is contextual be it in lyrics or in setting.

Beyond that its all "Eat Not Touch Not Listen Not" which is far more dangerous than anything else cos it induces bondage

Originally Posted by BAP

Sounds a lot to me like one of those "Eat Not Touch Not" type teachings ...

There is simply no verse for that ... yes we know that Music does have an effect on dopamine production but the morality of the music is contextual be it in lyrics or in setting.

Beyond that its all "Eat Not Touch Not Listen Not" which is far more dangerous than anything else cos it induces bondage

Hmmmm...I don't see warnings as commands that bring bondage....so when listening to the analysis and taking the matter to Holy Spirit I believe we find there is scripture that warns us to guard our heart....sometimes guarding our heart means that growing in knowing Christ means there are things that are legal but not expedient...ok but not best....

It is a fact that our human nature LIKES emotions that are not Godly...why do some just love horror movies or scary movies? For ME years ago I decided I don't like feeling fearful and do not find it fun....

Some like sensual....and although they may not act on it inappropriately isn't watching sensual sinful scenes that stimulate something that draws us to Christ or away from Him?

Music is the same...music that I sense is not drawing my attention or emotions toward godliness should be avoided..but that is not a commandment of law..it is a spiritual truth to be embraced through a desire to be Christlike...

PS, not all non Christian music draws us from Christ...but the problem is most does and it is blended in nicely with the little bit that does not...

Originally Posted by Quest

Hmmmm...I don't see warnings as commands that bring bondage....so when listening to the analysis and taking the matter to Holy Spirit I believe we find there is scripture that warns us to guard our heart....sometimes guarding our heart means that growing in knowing Christ means there are things that are legal but not expedient...ok but not best....

It is a fact that our human nature LIKES emotions that are not Godly...why do some just love horror movies or scary movies? For ME years ago I decided I don't like feeling fearful and do not find it fun....

Some like sensual....and although they may not act on it inappropriately isn't watching sensual sinful scenes that stimulate something that draws us to Christ or away from Him?

Music is the same...music that I sense is not drawing my attention or emotions toward godliness should be avoided..but that is not a commandment of law..it is a spiritual truth to be embraced through a desire to be Christlike...

Agreed hence my reference to context . Howeveer this is a far cry from your original statemnt which I was responding to TOWIT:

Did anyone watch the video...he makes the point that the music, not the lyrics hold moral value....and demonstrated segments of music without lyrics and how these small segments affected people worldwide the same way....

Have you heard 'Christian' music that disturbed you? Chances are some of it is literally Satanic in origin with Christian lyrics to shroud it....

Music is definitely not a harmless pastime.....

You said

It is a fact that our human nature LIKES emotions that are not Godly...why do some just love horror movies or scary movies? For ME years ago I decided I don't like feeling fearful and do not find it fun....

Yeah but there are scriptures against fear however what scripture teaches against certain forms of music in the abstract regardless of lyrical content. It simply isn't there. How exactly can Music be Satanic in Origin but yet shrouded by Christian Lyrics? Its a simple test .Doe it proclaim Jeuss as Lord ? If so then it is not satanoi... This IMHO is going way beyond bible and into the esoteric


Per the issue of bondage , well all I can go by is my observation in the NT that the apostles were very hesitant to give people rules and thou shalt and thou shalt nots. Bondage is real due to the sin consciousnesses it induces and imho is far more harmful than any supposed satanic music yet christian lyrics will ever be