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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    Thank you VW. You said what I was thinking. Another thing, the Holy Spirit warns us ahead of time before tragedy strikes. John 16:13...Somebody over rode the warning or didn't hear. It’s happened to all of us at one time or another. Time to arm ourselves even in Church because the attempt to murder us can be made at any Church. Praying for the injured and mourners.
    Amen Val-W. It seems that in tragedies of this nature many people would rather go with tradition and fatalistic theological concepts than the Word of God.
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    Texas Church Shooting and Our Time to Go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Of course. I didn't say anything different. That substantiates what I'm saying. Through faith, God redeems any adverse situation, though it may take much time (as it did with Joseph). I'm not suggesting that a passive faith will suffice.



    I thought you understood that I was not suggesting it's automatically redeemed by God. We must walk in faith. If we DO walk in faith, then, yes, ALL things that happen to us can be redeemed by God for some good purpose.

    Now, back to the death question. I'm curious. Are you saying that on the day of your death, both the means and the timing of your death are going to be determined by Satan and not by God? It has to be one or the other, unless you don't planning on dying.
    I am anxiously awaiting the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Well, we disagree, then. We know from Scripture that "Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints." And as I said in regard to the shooting, God is not the cause of "suicides and abortions" but He determines the final result in terms of the destiny of the victims.

    BTW, you still didn't answer my question. If you are spared in a tragedy, will you not praise God for His protection?

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    Precious in the sight of the Lord - Many have understood this verse as meaning, "the saints are too precious in the Lord's sight, lightly to give them over to death:" and this, Calmet contends, is the true sense of the text. Though they have many enemies, their lives are precious in his sight, and their foes shall not prevail against them.

    I love this understanding of the text. I am going to believe God that my life will NOT be given over to my enemies because I am too precious to Him. But everyone else can believe for an early death by being shot by crazed demon possessed maniacs if you believe that God finds that precious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    Adam Clarke Commentary

    Precious in the sight of the Lord - Many have understood this verse as meaning, "the saints are too precious in the Lord's sight, lightly to give them over to death:" and this, Calmet contends, is the true sense of the text. Though they have many enemies, their lives are precious in his sight, and their foes shall not prevail against them.

    I love this understanding of the text. I am going to believe God that my life will NOT be given over to my enemies because I am too precious to Him. But everyone else can believe for an early death by being shot by crazed demon possessed maniacs if you believe that God finds that precious.
    So to repeat, does that mean that you acknowledge that Satan, not God, will determine the means and the date of your death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    So to repeat, does that mean that you acknowledge that Satan, not God, will determine the means and the date of your death?
    But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you (Phil. 1:22-24)

    Paul had a choice and I have a choice. Only a twisted Calvinistic logic would imply that God chooses your time of death by gun-fire from a demon-possessed maniac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Well, we disagree, then. We know from Scripture that "Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints." And as I said in regard to the shooting, God is not the cause of "suicides and abortions" but He determines the final result in terms of the destiny of the victims.

    BTW, you still didn't answer my question. If you are spared in a tragedy, will you not praise God for His protection?
    Thomas Coke Commentary on the Holy Bible
    Psalms 116:15. Precious in the sight of the Lord— The word precious is not here so to be understood as to signify that which is spoken of to be desireable to or in the sight of the Lord; for it is the life, and not the death of his servants, which is precious in that sense to God, the great preserver of their lives. But for their death to be precious, is, in effect, no more than that it is so considered, and rated at so high a price by God, that he will not easily grant it to the will of their enemies. Loosed my bonds, in the next verse, means, Rescued me from the power of death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    Thomas Coke Commentary on the Holy Bible
    Psalms 116:15. Precious in the sight of the Lord— The word precious is not here so to be understood as to signify that which is spoken of to be desireable to or in the sight of the Lord; for it is the life, and not the death of his servants, which is precious in that sense to God, the great preserver of their lives. But for their death to be precious, is, in effect, no more than that it is so considered, and rated at so high a price by God, that he will not easily grant it to the will of their enemies. Loosed my bonds, in the next verse, means, Rescued me from the power of death.
    More from Thomas Coke on this Psalm 116:15

    1. He declares his unshaken confidence in God. I believed the promises of his grace, of protection here, and glory hereafter, to every faithful soul: therefore have I spoken, to God in prayer, assured of being heard; and to men with boldness, knowing the truth of what he declared. Note; Faith inspires the heart with freedom of speech; and no danger can discourage the genuine minister of Christ from proclaiming the gospel truths, nor the pious Christian from the profession of them. See 2 Corinthians 4:13.

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    VW, brother you have a hair trigger when it comes to any topic you connect to Calvinism. It is a big leap from "our time to die" to God planning it out and setting it in stone.

    My mom believed literally the verse you quoted from Paul about laying down one's life. She also believed in speaking into being and that she would be totally restored from the untreated cancer she died from. This was teaching heavily taught in msog she was a part of.

    I don't think anyone gets up and says "I think I'll die today." There are ditches on both sides of the road.

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