I always see a red flag when someone tells someone else who disagrees with them that they're really disagreeing with God.
God did not initiate the fall of man, but neither did it absent Him from the scene. On the contrary, God was immediately on the scene with promised redemption. Down to this very day, though the effects of the fall are with us, God is not absent. Every event in the lives of believers can be a "redeemed" event through faith in God's promises. Where Satan cuts down a forest, God envisions a new meadow. It's trite but true: What Satan means to be stumbling blocks, God means to be stepping stones. There is NO event in my life that God counts as loss. He redeems ALL. Someday I will die. Long ago, I consigned that day over to God. Satan will not and cannot kill me. Nor can he do me harm that is not redeemable by God. I look at every event in my life as God's opportunity to show off.
Femme* (11-06-2017)
I always see a BIG RED FLAG when someone ignores Scripture, teaches contrary to it, and them sum it up as a mere "disagreement".
Reference especially the bolded part: That may be true for YOU, but you cannot apply this ideology universally to everyone, including "Christians". Look at these few out of many examples from Scripture:
49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. (Luke 6:49)
16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended. (Mark 4:16-17)
Therefore, to claim that every tragic event somehow works out for everyone's best may sound good from a fluffy devotional, ascetically Madame Guyon type of spirituality, but neither the Bible or true-life experiences supports your point of view.
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So you maintain that you are correct in every aspect of your theology and anyone who disagrees at any point is ignoring Scripture or teaching contrary doctrine?I always see a BIG RED FLAG when someone ignores Scripture, teaches contrary to it, and them sum it up as a mere "disagreement".
As to the verse from Luke, I don't see the connection. It IS building on solid rock to entrust one's entire life circumstances to God. Not passively, by the way, but as an ACTION. Faith is an action.
As for the verses from Mark, again I don't see the connection. My faith carries me through "affliction" and "persecution."
As for Madame Guyon, you're right. I do greatly admire the faith she had and her writings. "All we have to do is to remain faithful to God and wholly attentive to his will, and everything that is necessary will be given to us." Madame Guyon
I also have been blessed by authors such as Watchman Nee, Andrew Murray, Hannah Whitall Smith, Jessie Penn-Lewis, and many others.
Nikos (11-06-2017)
When I quote plain Scripture and your statements are contrary to it then the answer is a resounding YES to both.
The connection is simple. As you said, faith is an ACTION! Many things happen to us due to lack of faith which goes against your belief that all that happens to us can be redeemed by God for some good purpose. That simply is not true and any Bible example where God did redeem someone in a bad situation was because they applied some act of faith (i.e. Joseph). Maybe a little more reading of Andrew Murray (especially his books on prayer and divine healing) might help you to see my BIBLICAL POV against the UNBIBLICAL one you hold to.
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Quest (11-20-2017)
Of course. I didn't say anything different. That substantiates what I'm saying. Through faith, God redeems any adverse situation, though it may take much time (as it did with Joseph). I'm not suggesting that a passive faith will suffice.That simply is not true and any Bible example where God did redeem someone in a bad situation was because they applied some act of faith (i.e. Joseph).
I thought you understood that I was not suggesting it's automatically redeemed by God. We must walk in faith. If we DO walk in faith, then, yes, ALL things that happen to us can be redeemed by God for some good purpose.Many things happen to us due to lack of faith which goes against your belief that all that happens to us can be redeemed by God for some good purpose.
Now, back to the death question. I'm curious. Are you saying that on the day of your death, both the means and the timing of your death are going to be determined by Satan and not by God? It has to be one or the other, unless you don't planning on dying.
Nikos (11-06-2017)
Good sound theology, Bookman.
Bookman (11-07-2017)
Thank you VW. You said what I was thinking. Another thing, the Holy Spirit warns us ahead of time before tragedy strikes. John 16:13...Somebody over rode the warning or didn't hear. It's happened to all of us at one time or another. Time to arm ourselves even in Church because the attempt to murder us can be made at any Church. Praying for the injured and mourners.
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victoryword (11-07-2017)
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