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    Weber… you may have missed where I said my husband and I were involved, heavily, in cult evangelism. Are you familiar with Walter Martin? He was, pretty much, the one who started apologetics to the cults. (His book is still in print and is used as a primer)

    We worked with his organization, Christian Research.

    Now, Stand to Reason has stepped into the role of primary apologetics.. but, there are a lot of great groups going .

    I do know the JW's belief structure. I've used their material often. I've had folks from headquarters in my home for discussion. (THAT was an interesting evening!)


    I just think you're approach is very different than what I've seen work. That's all. We disagree on that.. and if anyone asked me what would be a good way to go, I wouldn't make the same suggestions you did.


    Bookie.. sounds like you got the RED X on your door now too!

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    I think Weber has said some good things that we need to know...likewise your approach is also good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    Are you familiar with Walter Martin?
    Is that perchance the same Walter Martin mentioned in the second paragraph of my very first post?

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    After getting my eyes opened by Mr. Schnell's book, I was afterwards steered towards another book titled Kingdom Of The Cults by Walter Martin.
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    I think JWs welcome bible study, kinda tried that once or twice, now, its the gospel and God bless you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    The last time they came to my door, I spoke mostly to the newbie
    I was taught by Pete, the ex Witness mentioned in post #1, to do exactly as you did.

    One day, a pair of Witnesses came to my door consisting of an experienced worker and a trainee. I immediately began subjecting the trainee to a line of questioning that homed in on the Society's rather distracting habit of penciling in modifiers that go to reinforcing it's line of thinking. For example:

    Below are some passages taken word-for-word from a version of the Watch Tower Society's proprietary Bible. Watch for the word in brackets: it's very important.

    Col 1:16a . . By means of him all [other] things were created.

    Col 1:16b . . All [other] things have been created through him and for him.

    Col 1:17 . . Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist.

    I pointed out to the trainee that the word "other" is in brackets to indicate that it's not in the New Testament's Greek manuscripts. The Society's editors took the liberty to pencil it into the English text; thus forcing Paul to substantiate their doctrine that the Word of John 1:1-3 is a creature. If perchance some of the Society's missionaries don't know that then all I can say is they have a lot of catching up to do.

    Anyway, I then proceeded to have the trainee read the passages sans the bracketed word. Here they are with [other] removed.

    "By means of him all things were created"

    "All things have been created through him and for him"

    "Also, he is before all things and by means of him all things were made to exist"

    The trainee's eyes really lit up; and he actually grinned with delight to discovder that those passages reveal something quite different than what he was led to believe.

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    Is that perchance the same Walter Martin mentioned in the second paragraph of my very first post?
    indeed.. I missed that.. sorry.

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    I think JWs welcome bible study, kinda tried that once or twice, now, its the gospel and God bless you.
    That approach only works if they don't know what denomination you're in.. other wise it's "YOU believe [insert whatever here]"

    it's near impossible to move them from that.

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    †. Col 1:15 . . He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation

    The Watch Tower Society has appropriated that verse as evidence that the Word of John 1:1-3 was the first thing that God ever created. However, the New Testament Greek word for "firstborn" in that verse is prototokos which the Watchtower Society has construed to mean "created first" but prototokos never means created first; no, it always means born first; viz: the eldest offspring. The correct Greek word for created first is protoktistos.

    The average door-to-door Watch Tower Society missionary doesn't know this; and no doubt would care little for it anyway. To them; born first and created first are one and the same.

    FYI: Though the birth order of the child born first is chronologically set in concrete; its advantages are transferable to a younger sibling; e.g. Esau and Jacob (Gen 25:23) Manasseh and Ephraim (Gen 48:13-14) and Reuben and Joseph. (Gen 49:3-4, 1Chr 5:1)

    There was a time when David held the rank of God's firstborn (Ps 89:20-27). Anon, its advantages were transferred to one of David's sons. (Ps 110:1, Dan 7:13-14, Mark 12:35-37, Php 2:9-11, Col 1:15)

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    I am sure it has been mentioned along with all the ideas for infiltrating brainwashing...prayer, intercession...asking one to come back on another day and then standing in the gap for the Holy Spirit to lead and assist in cultivating any untainted soil..to fuel any flicker of hope and truth in them..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    prayer, intercession
    Intercession is one of Christ's official capacities as a priest of the Melchizedekian order that regular Christians take for granted; but not so in the Watch Tower Society's domain.

    On page 1129 of the Watchtower publication Aid To Bible Understanding; a mediator is defined as one who interposes between two parties at variance to reconcile them: an intercessor.

    Here's a question that someone wrote in to the Questions From Readers section of the April 01, 1976 issue of Watch Tower magazine, asking:

    "Is Jesus the mediator only for anointed Christians? (a.k.a. the 144,000)

    The answer given in the magazine is YES.

    The magazine's answer is corroborated on page 1130 of Aid To Bible Understanding where it says that the 144,000 are the only ones who have the mediator; a.k.a. Jesus Christ. (1John 2:1)

    Intercession for the earthly class-- the hewers of wood and the haulers of water, a.k.a. the great crowd --is accomplished on the coattails of the 144,000 anointed Witnesses; viz: Jesus Christ is an indirect, second party mediator for the rank and file via the auspices of the Watchtower Society.

    It's sort of like buying insurance from Allstate. The company doesn't sell direct; its business is conducted through brokers. In essence, that's what the Society presumes itself: Jesus Christ's brokerage.

    So then: when a member of the earthly class either defects or is dis-fellowshipped, it breaks the pipeline to the mediator that he enjoyed within the Society's fold; and he right quick loses all contact with God; and finds himself in grave danger of the Tribulation.

    Bottom line: According to Watch Tower Society theology; it is impossible for non-anointed people to be on peaceful terms with God apart from affiliation with the Society's anointed class, a.k.a. the faithful and wise steward.

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    Weber, that's good to know. But you do know I was talking about US praying and interceding for them..contending in prayer for truth to penetrate the darkness of their minds..

    Edited...from I was NOT talking about to 'I was talking about
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