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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Faith in God is not a positive mental attitude but it certainly does have one..I cannot have faith in God and be negative but I can be positive and not have faith in God.....
    Since faith and unbelief are really a heart thing, Bro Hagin used to teach that faith in your heart can work with doubt in your head. I think we're all be tempted to be negative, have a bad attitude, etc. when our faith is being tried, and maybe even give in, but that in and of itself isn't unbelief or necessarily negates our faith. Remember Mark 11:23 says if we believe and don't doubt in our heart it shall come to pass. So Jesus was very specific about where the doubt came from, or had to come from. But if I continue to be negative it can definitely affect my faith for sure.

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    So what does it mean to 'believe in the heart'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    So what does it mean to 'believe in the heart'?
    Put one's faith in, trust in, commit to. It is different to the belief that devils have. It's unclear what degree of a lack of according works makes that faith dead but committing to the exact opposite of its natural initial expression, to confess it (Romans 10:9-10), is a surefire sign that it is not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Put one's faith in, trust in, commit to. It is different to the belief that devils have. It's unclear what degree of a lack of according works makes that faith dead but committing to the exact opposite of its natural initial expression, to confess it (Romans 10:9-10), is a surefire sign that it is not there.


    Watching Mark Virkler teach Living Naturally Supernatural..Part 1 addresses the humanistic vs spiritual...and how humanism has infiltrated the church..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Watching Mark Virkler teach Living Naturally Supernatural..Part 1 addresses the humanistic vs spiritual...and how humanism has infiltrated the church..
    Kind of like "I profess to believe just in case there is a God but I don't tell anyone what I'm thinking" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    So what does it mean to 'believe in the heart'?
    Well using the scripture Colonel referred to about the devils believe and they tremble, then 'believing with the heart' is not just a mere acknowledgment something is true even if one actually knows it to be true. For instance, the devils absolutely believe in the existence of God. They know He exists for a fact. But it doesn't result in salvation or any blessing. But we haven't seen God. So we don't know for a fact He exists, yet we do. Why? By faith through revelation. But even that in itself doesn't result in salvation. I believed in the existence of God and Jesus because I was raised that way. It was just a 'fact' to me, but I was never saved. So there has to be an actual trust, actual faith toward God/Jesus to save us in order to be saved.

    Then once we are saved, just being saved doesn't automatically translate into receiving God's other blessings. There is then faith that has to do with receiving what the Bible says is ours. So then we have to believe in the heart for those things. In Mark 11:23, Jesus didn't say we would receive what we pray for, or receive what we desire, but that we would receive those desires and things we prayed for if we believe we receive them. So a person can pray or have a desire but not actually believe they receive that thing. Well we know believing we receive has something to do with speaking and declaring and confession, because Jesus said so in verse 23 and then 'therefored' it with verse 24, calling that action of speaking, etc, 'believe you receive'.

    So believing in the heart has to do with believing in an area that is not just the mind. So obviously that would have to do with the spirit, or a combination of the spirit and the mind together (which some say the 'heart' is the operation of the spirit and mind in cooperation with one another), not just the spirit itself.

    So anyway, to answer your question, I don't have a definitive answer that I can say 'this is it', but hopefully the answer or at least the path to the answer can be found in what I posted above.

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    Having faith in God is having faith in yourself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Well using the scripture Colonel referred to about the devils believe and they tremble, then 'believing with the heart' is not just a mere acknowledgment something is true even if one actually knows it to be true. For instance, the devils absolutely believe in the existence of God. They know He exists for a fact. But it doesn't result in salvation or any blessing. But we haven't seen God. So we don't know for a fact He exists, yet we do. Why? By faith through revelation. But even that in itself doesn't result in salvation. I believed in the existence of God and Jesus because I was raised that way. It was just a 'fact' to me, but I was never saved. So there has to be an actual trust, actual faith toward God/Jesus to save us in order to be saved.

    Then once we are saved, just being saved doesn't automatically translate into receiving God's other blessings. There is then faith that has to do with receiving what the Bible says is ours. So then we have to believe in the heart for those things. In Mark 11:23, Jesus didn't say we would receive what we pray for, or receive what we desire, but that we would receive those desires and things we prayed for if we believe we receive them. So a person can pray or have a desire but not actually believe they receive that thing. Well we know believing we receive has something to do with speaking and declaring and confession, because Jesus said so in verse 23 and then 'therefored' it with verse 24, calling that action of speaking, etc, 'believe you receive'.

    So believing in the heart has to do with believing in an area that is not just the mind. So obviously that would have to do with the spirit, or a combination of the spirit and the mind together (which some say the 'heart' is the operation of the spirit and mind in cooperation with one another), not just the spirit itself.

    So anyway, to answer your question, I don't have a definitive answer that I can say 'this is it', but hopefully the answer or at least the path to the answer can be found in what I posted above.
    In other words, a person may reject and disown their Father without ceasing to believe that he exists. They may become callous in the process and not think about it except when someone who does believe reminds them of him. That "belief" somewhere in the back of their minds does not equal faith because it contains no element of trust or commitment. To the contrary an active rejection makes it a matter of unbelief. Devils are full of unbelief and promote it. That is something deeper than the atheist's decision to erase God from his worldview, it is a callous denial at the heart level. Which some atheists are full of as well. "God I will have nothing to do with you any longer" is not an ember of faith, it is active unbelief. Distrust, decommitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apfilosa View Post
    Having faith in God is having faith in yourself...
    You are not God. God is a living, all consuming fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    So what does it mean to 'believe in the heart'?
    Spiritually speaking, the heart of man is his spirit. There is a defiled heart (Mt 15:18-19) or a pure heart ( Mt 5:8). What he believes in his heart, what fills it (spirit) will eventually come out of his mouth. Cursing or encouragement, blessing or evil. For the believer, it is beneficial that we be renewed in the inward man (spirit) day by day (2 Cor 4:16). Meditating on, study and even speaking or quoting Gods word will help to produce belief in the heart (spirit) of the Scriptures. Believing in the word of God from your heart will build it into our daily walk with Him. In short, if we believe what He says, we can do what He says, because we believe it from the heart.
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