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    Satan Does Many Things without God's Permission

    Satan Does Many Things without God's Permission

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    Satan Does Many Things without God's Permission

    Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned (Eze. 28:15-16a)

    It is a popular notion that God controls every situation. While this is often intended to bring comfort to those who have been the victim of some devastating circumstance, it can have the opposite effect with many who will then blame God for causing them the pain that they are experiencing. It is difficult to reconcile in one's mind how a loving God can plan such hurtful things to come upon His own children.
    Even when we tell people that this was the work of Satan others are quick to chime in that God even controls Satan's actions. Their belief is that God is sovereign and in control and Satan can only do those things that God permits (as in "commission").
    Ezekiel 28, which describes how the good angel that God created later fell and became Satan presents us with an irrefutable case demonstrating that Satan is NOT a God-controlled robot only fulfilling some secret will of God. Satan actually does numerous things without God's granted permission or desire.
    If iniquity was found in Satan then this means that God did not put it there. You don't "find" something in a place where you knowingly put it. This "finding" of iniquity in Lucifer (later to be known as Satan) was a new discovery to God. This "internal violence" that God discovered in Satan was Satan's own doing and not God's.
    Satan was the first creature ever to become violent. He then led numerous other angels to follow him in his criminal acts and since the fall of man he has been able to influence men and animals to become violent criminals like himself. Every act of violence from Cain killing Abel to the Jewish leaders killing Jesus can be attributed to Satan's doing (Gen. 4:7-8; 1 John 3:10-12; John 8:44). This was not God's ordained plan. Satan became a violent criminal completely on his own.
    God is not controlling every action of Satan. If He were then God would not have found iniquity in Satan's heart. Satan put it there without God's consent. Therefore, we need to stop taking a position of fatalism towards Satan's activities and learn to resist him.

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    Satan Does Many Things without God's Permission

    Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned (Eze. 28:15-16a)

    It is a popular notion that God controls every situation. While this is often intended to bring comfort to those who have been the victim of some devastating circumstance, it can have the opposite effect with many who will then blame God for causing them the pain that they are experiencing. It is difficult to reconcile in one's mind how a loving God can plan such hurtful things to come upon His own children.
    Even when we tell people that this was the work of Satan others are quick to chime in that God even controls Satan's actions. Their belief is that God is sovereign and in control and Satan can only do those things that God permits (as in "commission").
    Ezekiel 28, which describes how the good angel that God created later fell and became Satan presents us with an irrefutable case demonstrating that Satan is NOT a God-controlled robot only fulfilling some secret will of God. Satan actually does numerous things without God's granted permission or desire.
    If iniquity was found in Satan then this means that God did not put it there. You don't "find" something in a place where you knowingly put it. This "finding" of iniquity in Lucifer (later to be known as Satan) was a new discovery to God. This "internal violence" that God discovered in Satan was Satan's own doing and not God's.
    Satan was the first creature ever to become violent. He then led numerous other angels to follow him in his criminal acts and since the fall of man he has been able to influence men and animals to become violent criminals like himself. Every act of violence from Cain killing Abel to the Jewish leaders killing Jesus can be attributed to Satan's doing (Gen. 4:7-8; 1 John 3:10-12; John 8:44). This was not God's ordained plan. Satan became a violent criminal completely on his own.
    God is not controlling every action of Satan. If He were then God would not have found iniquity in Satan's heart. Satan put it there without God's consent. Therefore, we need to stop taking a position of fatalism towards Satan's activities and learn to resist him.
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    Satan Does Many Things without God's Permission

    Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned (Eze. 28:15-16a)

    It is a popular notion that God controls every situation. While this is often intended to bring comfort to those who have been the victim of some devastating circumstance, it can have the opposite effect with many who will then blame God for causing them the pain that they are experiencing. It is difficult to reconcile in one's mind how a loving God can plan such hurtful things to come upon His own children.

    Even when we tell people that this was the work of Satan others are quick to chime in that God even controls Satan's actions. Their belief is that God is sovereign and in control and Satan can only do those things that God permits (as in "commission").

    Ezekiel 28, which describes how the good angel that God created later fell and became Satan presents us with an irrefutable case demonstrating that Satan is NOT a God-controlled robot only fulfilling some secret will of God. Satan actually does numerous things without God's granted permission or desire.

    If iniquity was found in Satan then this means that God did not put it there. You don't "find" something in a place where you knowingly put it. This "finding" of iniquity in Lucifer (later to be known as Satan) was a new discovery to God. This "internal violence" that God discovered in Satan was Satan's own doing and not God's.

    Satan was the first creature ever to become violent. He then led numerous other angels to follow him in his criminal acts and since the fall of man he has been able to influence men and animals to become violent criminals like himself. Every act of violence from Cain killing Abel to the Jewish leaders killing Jesus can be attributed to Satan's doing (Gen. 4:7-8; 1 John 3:10-12; John 8:44). This was not God's ordained plan. Satan became a violent criminal completely on his own.

    God is not controlling every action of Satan. If He were then God would not have found iniquity in Satan's heart. Satan put it there without God's consent. Therefore, we need to stop taking a position of fatalism towards Satan's activities and learn to resist him.

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    Yep and he has deceived millions to defile the marriage covenant and to produce illegitimate children which brings much evil onto society

    see my gentle, kind and loving thread... http://livingfaithforum.com/forum/sh...imate-children

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    It is a popular notion that God controls every situation. While this is often intended to bring comfort to those who have been the victim of some devastating circumstance, it can have the opposite effect with many who will then blame God for causing them the pain that they are experiencing. It is difficult to reconcile in one's mind how a loving God can plan such hurtful things to come upon His own children.
    that someone opts to "blame" God for ANYthing doesn't mean that the premise, God is in control, is faulty, it means that some people don't understand how things work. I'm truly sorry some folks blame God.. but, bottomline, that's on them, not God.

    It's rather like saying because I don't understand mathmatics there's something wrong with those formulas.

    Now, please don't think I'm saying God visits all kinds of evil on people randomly.. ALL evil in this world is a result of sin.
    God will use those situations to bring about His purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    that someone opts to "blame" God for ANYthing doesn't mean that the premise, God is in control, is faulty, it means that some people don't understand how things work. I'm truly sorry some folks blame God.. but, bottomline, that's on them, not God.

    It's rather like saying because I don't understand mathmatics there's something wrong with those formulas.

    Now, please don't think I'm saying God visits all kinds of evil on people randomly.. ALL evil in this world is a result of sin.
    God will use those situations to bring about His purpose.
    Who is in control of all sin ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
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    Satan Does Many Things without God’s Permission

    Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned (Eze. 28:15-16a)

    It is a popular notion that God controls every situation. While this is often intended to bring comfort to those who have been the victim of some devastating circumstance, it can have the opposite effect with many who will then blame God for causing them the pain that they are experiencing. It is difficult to reconcile in one's mind how a loving God can plan such hurtful things to come upon His own children.
    Even when we tell people that this was the work of Satan others are quick to chime in that God even controls Satan’s actions. Their belief is that God is sovereign and in control and Satan can only do those things that God permits (as in “commission”).
    Ezekiel 28, which describes how the good angel that God created later fell and became Satan presents us with an irrefutable case demonstrating that Satan is NOT a God-controlled robot only fulfilling some secret will of God. Satan actually does numerous things without God’s granted permission or desire.
    If iniquity was found in Satan then this means that God did not put it there. You don't “find” something in a place where you knowingly put it. This “finding” of iniquity in Lucifer (later to be known as Satan) was a new discovery to God. This “internal violence” that God discovered in Satan was Satan’s own doing and not God’s.
    Satan was the first creature ever to become violent. He then led numerous other angels to follow him in his criminal acts and since the fall of man he has been able to influence men and animals to become violent criminals like himself. Every act of violence from Cain killing Abel to the Jewish leaders killing Jesus can be attributed to Satan’s doing (Gen. 4:7-8; 1 John 3:10-12; John 8:44). This was not God’s ordained plan. Satan became a violent criminal completely on his own.
    God is not controlling every action of Satan. If He were then God would not have found iniquity in Satan’s heart. Satan put it there without God’s consent. Therefore, we need to stop taking a position of fatalism towards Satan’s activities and learn to resist him.
    i diagree with this but then we're getting n2 predestination, free moral will, Romans 8:28, and a few other minor doctrines which just mite play part n this....

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    Who is in control of all sin ?
    The individual doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    The individual doing it.
    So God isn't in control after all then.

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    Whatever they do, God will conform it to His will.

    No one (well, the people I know..) claims that God MAKES people do every thing they do.

    Man does exactly what s/he wants. It will fit with God's plan.

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