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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    So God isn't in control after all then.
    Yes, because He chose to give man the right to choose...
    No, because He chose to give man the right to choose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    Whatever they do, God will conform it to His will.

    No one (well, the people I know..) claims that God MAKES people do every thing they do.

    Man does exactly what s/he wants. It will fit with God's plan.
    There are clearly those who believe that, say a young man dies of an overdose, that 'it was God's time for them'.

    I still hear this from people who claim to know better...it's some form of 'comfort' but actually it's a lie..

    When the lie is propagated those who should be looking at that situation in horror and in some cases even fear wrap themselves in the lie and continue in their own sin...

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    I think Bill Johnson's line was "God is in charge, but He's not in control" or something along those lines. Meaning He is in charge, but He doesn't' necessarily control everything. And I agree with that.

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    James 1:13 And remember, when you are being tempted, do not say, "God is tempting me." God is never tempted to do wrong, and he never tempts anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I think Bill Johnson's line was "God is in charge, but He's not in control" or something along those lines. Meaning He is in charge, but He doesn't' necessarily control everything. And I agree with that.
    That is a big part of the issue..defining the terms...So many times we see two people arguing on this topic and if you listen closely it's not difficult to realize they are not listening to each other..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I think Bill Johnson's line was "God is in charge, but He's not in control" or something along those lines. Meaning He is in charge, but He doesn't' necessarily control everything. And I agree with that.
    He's standing on ye shoulders of James Arminius and John Wesley, no less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    There are clearly those who believe that, say a young man dies of an overdose, that 'it was God's time for them'.

    I still hear this from people who claim to know better...it's some form of 'comfort' but actually it's a lie..

    When the lie is propagated those who should be looking at that situation in horror and in some cases even fear wrap themselves in the lie and continue in their own sin...
    Right, many say 'everything happens for a reason' meaning God had His reasons for fill in the blank _________, but scripture says many die from their own foolishness and sin:

    Ecclesiastes 7:17Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    Right, many say 'everything happens for a reason' meaning God had His reasons for fill in the blank _________, but scripture says many die from their own foolishness and sin:

    Ecclesiastes 7:17Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?

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    Proverbs 26:2
    As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come.

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    "in charge" and "in control" are synonymous.

    I don't understand why that's difficut to get.

    "in control" does not mean "robot city".. man does EXACTLY what he wants.
    God will make it very uncomfortable if s/he isn't where God wants them. (ie: Paul, Moses, etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    "in charge" and "in control" are synonymous.

    I don't understand why that's difficut to get.

    "in control" does not mean "robot city".. man does EXACTLY what he wants.
    God will make it very uncomfortable if s/he isn't where God wants them. (ie: Paul, Moses, etc)
    What exactly does it mean to you that God is not in control ? What would the world look like if he hadn't been ?

    One could say that God is in control if he does absolutely nothing to affect creation after creating it but could have if he chose to.

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