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    Old Books: The Hardening of Pharaoh's Heart

    Old Books: The Hardening of Pharaoh's Heart

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    I heard Andrew Wommack say recently that if you listen to a preacher who starts quoting obscure Bible translations then turn it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I heard Andrew Wommack say recently that if you listen to a preacher who starts quoting obscure Bible translations then turn it off.
    There's nothing obscure about the Word of God from reputable translations no matter how old. But I don't believe Wommack said that, and if he did, then he's a man subject to error like everyone else. Eat the meat, spit out the bones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    Old Books: The Hardening of Pharaoh's Heart

    http://cvbibleteachingcenter.blogspo...ohs-heart.html

    Get a better understanding of what it means for God to "harden" hearts.
    Your teaching on this will truly free a lot of people. I'm glad I got to read your books on the subject because even though I've heard these truths ministered before, it's been a very long time. Also, your teaching is extensive and we get more information than a few messages on the subject on Sunday morning every few years. Keep up the good work!
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    I'm with Colonel on this. If 20 or so of the most common translations/ versions are passed up to validate a point with an obscure version, I run. Hundreds of translators aren't likely to be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    Old Books: The Hardening of Pharaoh’s Heart

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    Get a better understanding of what it means for God to "harden" hearts.
    I see the whole of scripture confirming that understanding...simply God does not sin nor does He tempt anyone else to..to say God Himself did the hardening is to imply a person has no control or responsibility....and if hardening one's heart is sin and evil then God would indeed be guilty of sin and evil....and Pharaoh would be innocent...

    An example would be a criminal taking someone's hand, forcing a gun in it and then forcing the trigger to be pulled by them...then the forcer goes free as innocent and the one forced is punished for the crime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    I'm with Colonel on this. If 20 or so of the most common translations/ versions are passed up to validate a point with an obscure version, I run. Hundreds of translators aren't likely to be wrong.
    True...and they do affirm that interpretation...IMHO. Finding confirmation of that interpretation in old translations does not mean the newer ones were wrong...

    They simply confirm one is far from being alone in that belief..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    Your teaching on this will truly free a lot of people. I'm glad I got to read your books on the subject because even though I've heard these truths ministered before, it's been a very long time. Also, your teaching is extensive and we get more information than a few messages on the subject on Sunday morning every few years. Keep up the good work!
    Thank you so much Val-W. I appreciate the encouragement. BTW, received a message from someone today who says that he was so blessed by one of my books on this subject that he gave it to another minister who is now using it to teach his Bible classes. He wanted to encourage me to see that the message is reaching people.

    Anyway, thanks again Val-W.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I see the whole of scripture confirming that understanding...simply God does not sin nor does He tempt anyone else to..to say God Himself did the hardening is to imply a person has no control or responsibility....and if hardening one's heart is sin and evil then God would indeed be guilty of sin and evil....and Pharaoh would be innocent...

    An example would be a criminal taking someone's hand, forcing a gun in it and then forcing the trigger to be pulled by them...then the forcer goes free as innocent and the one forced is punished for the crime...
    Good points. Thanks Quest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    There's nothing obscure about the Word of God from reputable translations no matter how old. But I don't believe Wommack said that, and if he did, then he's a man subject to error like everyone else. Eat the meat, spit out the bones.
    That's what he said on God TV, the same day or the day before I wrote that post. I'm not even contending with the point victoryword is trying to make, I'm merely referring in general to the practice of using varying obscure (as in unknown, little used) translations to support whatever point one is trying to make. There will almost always be 3 out of 1,000 translations that happen to say something like what one would like them to say. Not the same 3 every time but some 3 will. Including children's bibles and others that victoryword has quoted previously to support his point as if a children's bible is somehow truer to the original text than a more literal translation is. This time he happened to employ :

    (The Emphasized Bible by J. B. Rotherham)
    (A Translation of the Old Testament Scriptures from the Original Hebrew By Helen Spurrell)
    (Jewish School & Family Bible, Volume I by Dr. A. Benisch)

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