Thread: My Meeting With Pastor Joseph Prince - Michael Brown

Originally Posted by GodismyJudge

Kenneth E. Hagin once said that he had heard another minister say that discussing Bible truths is like climbing up a mountain. When you climb up one side you have one view, when you climb up the other side you have a different view, but it's the same mountain.

GIMJ

That is true in cases of minor doctrinal teachings, but Kenneth Hagin would never have applied this idea to OSAS. In his book, "The Present Day Ministry of Jesus Christ" Hagin referred to the doctrine of OSAS as "New School Calvinism:":

"New school Calvinism" is basically the doctrine of eternal security, or "Once saved always saved (p. 11)

Hagin was definitely not an old school Calvinist. However, neither was he a fan of the "new school" that some of today's grace teachers seem to be preaching. Hagin continues to say:

I believe in eternal security as long as you stay in Christ. He is able to keep you secure. But just because you are a son of God does not mean you are not a free moral agent. You still have a will of your own, and you can choose to stay in Christ or to forsake Christ altogether. (p. 11)

Now Hagin did not believe that a person lost their salvation by every small incident but he certainly did not accept OSAS. It is a very dangerous teaching. I have nothing against Brother Prince. Have never listened to much of his teaching, never read any of his material, and it is unlikely that I will. Hence I cannot criticize him personally. But I do know that there are others who teach this idea that our future sins are already forgiven and they teach to such an extreme that I shudder.

I do not believe that Hagin would dismiss this as merely a different view. But even if he did, he would be wrong as the Bible takes precedence over the statements of all preachers, including MY favorite ones, to which Hagin is one of those at the top of my favorites list.

Originally Posted by victoryword

GIMJ

That is true in cases of minor doctrinal teachings, but Kenneth Hagin would never have applied this idea to OSAS. In his book, "The Present Day Ministry of Jesus Christ" Hagin referred to the doctrine of OSAS as "New School Calvinism:":

"New school Calvinism" is basically the doctrine of eternal security, or "Once saved always saved (p. 11)

Hagin was definitely not an old school Calvinist. However, neither was he a fan of the "new school" that some of today's grace teachers seem to be preaching. Hagin continues to say:

I believe in eternal security as long as you stay in Christ. He is able to keep you secure. But just because you are a son of God does not mean you are not a free moral agent. You still have a will of your own, and you can choose to stay in Christ or to forsake Christ altogether. (p. 11)

Now Hagin did not believe that a person lost their salvation by every small incident but he certainly did not accept OSAS. It is a very dangerous teaching. I have nothing against Brother Prince. Have never listened to much of his teaching, never read any of his material, and it is unlikely that I will. Hence I cannot criticize him personally. But I do know that there are others who teach this idea that our future sins are already forgiven and they teach to such an extreme that I shudder.

I do not believe that Hagin would dismiss this as merely a different view. But even if he did, he would be wrong as the Bible takes precedence over the statements of all preachers, including MY favorite ones, to which Hagin is one of those at the top of my favorites list.

I agree 100%.

I should not have used that quote in context of OSAS - that was not my intention.

Rather it was more a comment, on Jonathan David's comment about minister's dialog with one another.....

Originally Posted by Jonathan david

I applaud the meeting between Dr. Brown and Ptr. Prince. This is exactly how leaders in the Body of Christ should resolve misunderstandings and differences, through a meaningful and respectful dialogue. Note that some misunderstandings were noted and now they have a more accurate take of each other's position, and that they are substantially in agreement.

Let's be honest here, that there are often subtle and nuanced aspects of doctrine, that one "side" can GET more accurately than the other. Perhaps the wording is better from one angle, and God forbid, BOTH angles have their merit scripturally.

This dialogue has set a good pattern that others should follow: Rather than blasting someone's teachings in your Christian-Criticizer.com page that you think are heresy, give the benefit of the doubt. TALK to them in an open way as a grown adult, not as someone who has to "be right" and think you are God's gift to "right theology."

So, in no way was it my intention to align Hagin or his quote with OSAS.

Originally Posted by GodismyJudge

I agree 100%.

I should not have used that quote in context of OSAS - that was not my intention.

Rather it was more a comment, on Jonathan David's comment about minister's dialog with one another.....




So, in no way was it my intention to align Hagin or his quote with OSAS.

Gotcha! Thanks GIMJ.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Without having studied his view in detail, I'm quite sure that my view is in line with his. The quote is very much in line with what they taught us in Bible school in 90/91. The pastor was a fan of Hagin, having talked to him personally several times while he was a student at Rhema in 84/85.

Sure Colonel, sure. That's what they all say.

Originally Posted by Jonathan david

This dialogue has set a good pattern that others should follow: Rather than blasting someone's teachings in your Christian-Criticizer.com page that you think are heresy, give the benefit of the doubt.

That was funny. I am going to have steal that one