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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Not sure we can go there...the context was an act...we know that sin starts in the heart..not the action..but you are right that OT people had a form of righteousness and some because they loved God..David for instance...he chose to seek God for guidance, to love and trust and honor God in his unregenerated state..
    That's what I see is evident in the OT, that there were many "righteous" people, either by strong implication, or named specifically. David obviously turned from his sin and repented in a direction of "sin no more." But as you allude, he moved from a posture of "avoidance of sin" to "pursuit of God" (not that he didn't also do that earlier in life as well). And the biblical reference point for kingly excellence in their walk with God.

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    The OT saints weren't born again but the Spirit was upon them, motioning them to walk righteously. It wasn't as if they managed to do that completely in their own power.

    Psalm 51:12 (David) And uphold me by Your generous Spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The OT saints weren't born again but the Spirit was upon them, motioning them to walk righteously. It wasn't as if they managed to do that completely in their own power.

    Psalm 51:12 (David) And uphold me by Your generous Spirit.
    No, they were people of faith....and God helped them....but that is the point, they could love God and desire righteousness even though without the new birth they could not be transformed from within...they died having not received the promise...Jesus, the solution to man's sin/lost condition...Hebrews says they were people of faith and it was accounted to them for righteousness...so this truth IMHO is the greatest verification and denouncement of the concept of total depravity.
    They did not just try to be better people, they sought God...and KNEW God..they loved God and they obeyed God....without the new birth.

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    Two things that I see repeatedly in the OT are:
    1 - Obedience was always an option*
    2 - God looks at the heart

    Even though men didn't always execute consistently, obviously. But that says something about God doesn't it?

    *Although there was a point were hard-heartedness was an intractable condition

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    A Wesley/Arminian way of seeing this is that God moves by prevenient grace before the person who isn't born again is able to obey. Prevenient grace can be a very general thing though. If God retracts the forces of light then there will truly be "noone who does good" because that is their bottom line nature.

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