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    Correcting some misinformation about Original Sin.

    Hi all.

    I was searching the forum for the phrase "original sin" for something else (which you can't actually do as the search engine ignores search words of three letters (e.g. sin)) and found something said that is incorrect so I'd like to correct it here.

    In the thread "The Book of Life and Blotting Out" TT's mentioning Universalism
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Some of the way Paul writes in Romans seems confusing and I can prove it with the below illustration ...
    and in the middle of a reply from feugo's we see the statement
    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    ... (yes, as you said original sin is rooted in Calvinism) ...
    Well that statement is incorrect. TT may have said it, but the idea that the roots of Original Sin is in Calvinism is incorrect.

    A part of the Pelagian heresy which arose 1600+ years ago includes the denial of Original Sin. That's 1100 years before the Reformation. Reformed Theology correctly acknowledges the validity of the doctrine of Original Sin but can't be considered as where it started.

    There are some here who believe at least part of the Pelagian denial of Original Sin as I believe this following post testifies. However in this case it would appear that the denial of Original Sin is the only possible belief option after saying that "the human spirit is given by God". (If the only way forward from where you're at takes to you into heresy, what does that say about where you're currently at?)
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The human spirit is given by God and nothing God creates is evil per default.
    Perhaps fuego was referring back to this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I could be wrong so apologise in advance.
    Is it possible that some have rejected original sin because Calvinism strongly supports it.

    IMO we should be judging scripture on its merits not because a denomination teaches it and we don't agree with certain things taught by that denomination.

    I am not a Calvinist but believe in original sin because I clearly see it in the scriptures and in the life of humans.

    If a Calvinist says the law of gravity exists do we reject the law of gravity just because a Calvinists says so.

    Ok again my apologies as I am only speculating and am not pointing the finger but .....just saying

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    Don't you ever sleep
    I try. Actually I can demonstrate that I do with my Fitbit data.

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    You gotta love it. A Calvinist trying to correct doctrine. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    You gotta love it. A Calvinist trying to correct doctrine. :)
    Is what i said incorrect?

    Thing is fuego at least the Calvinists have doctrine.

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    One can safely say that contemporary Western Christians may be the most theologically illiterate since the church began 2000 years ago. The woeful lack of basic theology and sound doctrine in so many churches today is coupled with a woeful biblical illiteracy.
    Ref: The Demise of Theology (And Its Hopeful Recovery)

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    Here are some people and beliefs condemned as heretics or heresy by the same church :

    Martin Luther

    John Calvin

    Calvinism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Here are some people and beliefs condemned as heretics or heresy by the same church :

    Martin Luther

    John Calvin

    Calvinism
    The Roman Catholic Church post the Reformation and 1100 years post Pelagius may call these people heretics, but you know that's not related to what happened 1100 years earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    The Roman Catholic Church post the Reformation and 1100 years post Pelagius may call these people heretics, but you know that's not related to what happened 1100 years earlier.
    At what point during that time did the RCC change its general beliefs ?

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semipelagianism

    The Roman Catholic Church condemns Semipelagianism but affirms that the beginning of faith involves an act of free will. It teaches that the initiative comes from God, but requires free synergy (collaboration) on the part of man: "God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man's free acting through his collaboration"

    I totally agree.

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    Seeing that the RCC condemns Calvinism and affirms prevenient grace and a free will response, what is there to add, Mr. FunFromOz ?

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