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    God is and has always been selective.

    God has always been selective.

    The blessing came through Isaac. Then the blessing came through Jacob. “Jacob I loved, Esau I hated.” (Rom. 9:13) You say, “Wow, you mean God is that discriminating?” Verse 14 then says (and this is what the responder would say) “What shall we say then? Is this unjust? There is no injustice with God is there?”

    Mē genoito—
    the strongest negative in the Greek language—no, no, no, no. This isn’t out of character for God to be selective. God never intended every Jew to be in the kingdom. For He says to Moses, God says, “I’ll have mercy on whom I’ll have mercy. I’ll have compassion on whom I’ll have compassion.” And it doesn’t depend on “the man who wills or the man who runs but on God who has mercy” (Rom. 9:15-16).

    John MacArthur @ a conference in 2010

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    Beware of John MacArthur (and his buddy Tom Pennington), who is a false teacher that blasphemes the Holy Ghost claiming cessationism.


    God never intended every Jew to be in the kingdom
    No, it's not God's will for any to perish. Jesus even tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9) so it would be possible for all that call upon His name (and actually remain in fellowship) to be saved.

    2 Peter 3:9
    The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    Revelation 22:17
    And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

    John 3:16
    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    I always think it's funny that those who claim God only selects a few to be saved... never say "well, I was one of the ones He decided to not select for salvation, so I'm on my way to hell"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    Beware of John MacArthur (and his buddy Tom Pennington), who is a false teacher that blasphemes the Holy Ghost claiming cessationism.




    No, it's not God's will for any to perish. Jesus even tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9) so it would be possible for all that call upon His name (and actually remain in fellowship) to be saved.

    2 Peter 3:9
    The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    Revelation 22:17
    And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

    John 3:16
    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    I always think it's funny that those who claim God only selects a few to be saved... never say "well, I was one of the ones He decided to not select for salvation, so I'm on my way to hell"
    "I always think it's funny that those who claim God only selects a few to be saved... never say "well, I was one of the ones He decided to not select for salvation, so I'm on my way to hell"

    Those destined won't know until they reach Hell that they really were the ones God decided to simply give no opportunity to....as I understand the belief..so they don't suffer here knowing this...they only find out after death that that benevolent God they often heard about really existed and sent them to Hell just because...

    This concept is beyond my comprehension of a God of unconditional love and Grace...

    Yes, God selected certain people in the bloodline of Abraham for Jesus...as Jesus had to be of pure Abrahamic bloodline...the promise passed from generation to generation from father to son....but pertaining to the salvation of mankind that is not so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Those destined won't know until they reach Hell that they really were the ones God decided to simply give no opportunity to
    Well, I guess that settles it... there are lies in the Bible and since it cannot be trusted it need to be thrown in the trash.

    If what you are saying is true, then 2 Peter 3:9, Revelation 22:17, John 3:16 (among others) are bald face lies!

    I'm really surprised at the Lord for putting lies in His Word... apparently God and the devil are the same guy

    Apparently, God is not just / fair. That's too bad... we can all go get drunk now and party on cause we're all going to hell if the Bible contains lies cause it's all a farce if it contains lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    "I always think it's funny that those who claim God only selects a few to be saved... never say "well, I was one of the ones He decided to not select for salvation, so I'm on my way to hell"
    Actually that is not quite true, some do. But they don't go online to debate Calvinism if they do believe that. They keep to themselves, much like people who think they have committed the unpardonable sin and have blasphemed the Holy Spirit do.

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    I never heard anyone that believes God only selects certain people for salvation say "I rejected me, so I'm going to hell"

    Got any references of anyone who ever believed / said this?

    I always here them say "God only chooses some and of course I'm one He has chosen"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    I never heard anyone that believes God only selects certain people for salvation say "I rejected me, so I'm going to hell"

    Got any references of anyone who ever believed / said this?

    I always here them say "God only chooses some and of course I'm one He has chosen"
    I realize you are speaking to the Colonel, so I can't answer for his remark. But...I doubt most unbelievers give God much thought at all, much less to think about not being chosen by God for salvation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Actually that is not quite true, some do. But they don't go online to debate Calvinism if they do believe that. They keep to themselves, much like people who think they have committed the unpardonable sin and have blasphemed the Holy Spirit do.
    In such a debate I was told those drowning are not thrown a life jacket and in reality never know they are even drowning...that was where I drew that analogy of them only finding out when they arrive in Hell. Because in this life they are never 'drawn' by the Holy Spirit; never given any opportunity and if they hear the gospel it just falls on deaf ears because God does not open their mind to hear.

    The others are netted and drawn out sometimes kicking and screaming but really happy once they realize they have been saved...

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    I realize you are speaking to the Colonel, so I can't answer for his remark. But...I doubt most unbelievers give God much thought at all, much less to think about not being chosen by God for salvation.
    Based on Calvinism, no they don't because He does not draw them by His Spirit or ever open their eyes to their condition...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Based on Calvinism, no they don't because He does not draw them by His Spirit or ever open their eyes to their condition...
    So you must believe then that all unbelievers are equally drawn to God and equally have their eyes opened to their condition.

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