Thread: What Has Happened Now That We Are Saved?

"I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant"

Love that quote. Sometimes I ask myself "Do people really mean what I think they've said?" In light of that (and another thread) I was looking for something but at http://crossinglouisville.com/sermon...ity-in-christ/ found this instead, a list of some thirty things that happen to us when we're saved.

So in this first post I list them so that we can see what happened to us; I'm presuming you agree with them, tell me why if you don't.

But because some (most) of you believe you can lose your salvation, in the next post I'll change the wording to reflect what I think you believe can happen and let you look at it and say Yea / Na.

The thirty things:

Rom. 5:1 I have been justified (completely forgiven and made righteous).

Rom. 8:1 I am free forever from condemnation.

1 Cor. 6:19, 20 I have been bought with a price. I am not my own. I belong to God.

2 Cor. 1:21 I have been established, anointed, and sealed by God in Christ.

2 Cor. 5:21 I have been made righteous.

Eph. 1:4 I have been chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blame before Him.

Eph. 1:5 I was predestined (determined by God) to be adopted as a son.

Eph. 1:13, 14 I have been given the Holy Spirit as a pledge (a deposit/down payment) guaranteeing my inheritance to come.

Eph. 2:6 I have been raised up and seated with Christ in heaven

Col. 1:14 I have been redeemed and forgiven of all my sins (the debt against me has been cancelled). (see Col. 2:13, 14)

Gal. 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. (The life I am living is Christ's life.)

Eph. 1:7, 8 I have been redeemed, forgiven, and am a recipient of His lavish grace,

Col. 1:13 I have been delivered (rescued) from the domain of darkness (Satan's rule) and transferred to the kingdom of Christ.

Col. 3:1-4 I have been raised up with Christ. I died with Christ. My life is now hidden with Christ in God. Christ is now my life.

2 Tim. 1:9 / Titus 3:5 I have been saved and called (set apart) according to God's doing.

Heb. 2:11 Because I am sanctified and am one with the Sanctifier (Christ), He is not ashamed to call me brother.

2 Pet. 1:4 I have been given exceedingly great and precious promises by God by which I am a partaker of the divine nature (God's nature).

Rom. 6:1-6 I died with Christ and died to the power of sin's rule on my life.

Eph. 2:5 I have been made alive together with Christ.

Col. 2:7 I have been firmly rooted in Christ and am now being built up in Him.

Col. 2:12, 13 I have been buried, raised, and made alive with Christ.

Heb. 4:16 I have a right to come boldly before the throne of God (the throne of grace) to find mercy and find grace in time of need.

1 Cor. 1:30 I have been put into Christ by God's doing.

Eph. 1:3 I have been blessed with every spiritual blessing.

Col. 2:11 I have been spiritually circumcised (my old, unregenerate nature has been removed).

2 Cor. 5:14, 15 Since I have died, I no longer live for myself, but for Him (Christ).

Col. 2:10 I have been made complete in Christ.

Col. 1:27 Christ Himself is in me.

2 Tim. 1:7 I have been given a spirit of power, love, and self-discipline.

Eph. 2:18 I have direct access to God through the Spirit.

Eph. 3:12 I may approach God with boldness, freedom, and confidence.

As I see it this is what has to happen if one loses his salvation. Am I correct?

Rom. 5:1 I was justified (completely forgiven and made righteous) but because of my behaviour the forgiveness was withdrawn and I'm no longer forgiven or justified or righteous.

Rom. 8:1 I was free from condemnation for a while but I'm under it again.

1 Cor. 6:19, 20 I was bought with a price. I was not my own. I belonged to God but as I didn't measure up God disowned me, I am my own again, the price I asked was too high.

2 Cor. 1:21 I was established, anointed, and sealed by God in Christ but I caused the seal to be broken and I'm not in Christ any more.

2 Cor. 5:21 I was made righteous but now I'm not.

Eph. 1:4 I was chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blame before Him but my behaviour overrode God's choice and I'm no longer holy and without blame.

Eph. 1:5 I was predestined to be adopted as a son and was one for a while but I counteracted that and am no more.

Eph. 1:13, 14 I was given the Holy Spirit as a pledge (a deposit/down payment) guaranteeing my inheritance to come but my behaviour negated the guarantee and the Holy Spirit was removed.

Eph. 2:6 I was raised up and seated with Christ in heaven but because of my behaviour I was expelled.

Col. 1:14 I was redeemed and forgiven of all my sins (the debt against me has been cancelled). (see Col. 2:13, 14) but because of my behaviour the forgiveness was withdrawn and the debt reapplied.

Gal. 2:20 I was crucified with Christ and it was no longer I who lived, but Christ lived in me. (The life I am living is Christ's life.) but I overcame the crucifixion, became alive in myself again and Christ no longer lives in me.

Eph. 1:7, 8 I had been redeemed, forgiven, and was a recipient of His lavish grace, but His grace was insufficient and withdrawn along with the forgiveness meaning I'm no longer redeemed.

Col. 1:13 I was delivered (rescued) from the domain of darkness (Satan's rule) and transferred to the kingdom of Christ but my behaviour meant I was expelled from Christ's kingdom and are again in Satan's.

Col. 3:1-4 I was raised up with Christ. I died with Christ. My life was hidden with Christ in God. Christ was my life but no longer, I'm no longer hidden, my death was reversed, I've been dropped.

2 Tim. 1:9 / Titus 3:5 I had been saved and called (set apart) according to God's doing but my own doing caused this to be undone.

Heb. 2:11 Because I was sanctified and was one with the Sanctifier (Christ), He was not ashamed to call me brother but He is now as I'm no longer His brother.

2 Pet. 1:4 I was given exceedingly great and precious promises by God by which I was a partaker of the divine nature (God's nature) but my behaviour was such that God reneged on his promise and I no longer partake of the divine nature.

Rom. 6:1-6 I died with Christ and died to the power of sin's rule on my life but in my own strength I raised myself to the life that's in the power of sin and overcame the death I had in Christ.

Eph. 2:5 I was made alive together with Christ but was so bad I died again, my wickedness being more powerful than the life of Christ.

Col. 2:7 I was firmly rooted in Christ and was being built up in Him but got pulled out by the roots.

Col. 2:12, 13 I was buried, raised, and made alive with Christ but died again and un-buried?

Heb. 4:16 I had the right to come boldly before the throne of God (the throne of grace) to find mercy and find grace in time of need but was so wicked I forfeited that right.

1 Cor. 1:30 I have been put into Christ by God's doing but removed by mine.

Eph. 1:3 I was blessed with every spiritual blessing but they've been taken back.

Col. 2:11 I was spiritually circumcised (my old, unregenerate nature has been removed) but I've got my foreskin and my old undegenerated nature back.

2 Cor. 5:14, 15 Since I had died, I no longer lived for myself, but for Him (Christ) but then I decided to live for myself again which reversed that death.

Col. 2:10 I was made complete in Christ but not complete enough as I still had the ability to override everything He's done.

Col. 1:27 Christ Himself was in me but because of my behaviour He left.

2 Tim. 1:7 I was given a spirit of power, love, and self-discipline but the self-discipline just wasn't good enough.

Eph. 2:18 I had direct access to God through the Spirit but I choose to reject it and I haven't any more.

Eph. 3:12 I could approach God with boldness, freedom, and confidence but I said "Na" so that privilege was withdrawn.

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

I'll take that as a "Yes I believe all that's in the second post".

I can already tell you what tomorrow's responses will be!

Hebrews 10:26-29
26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.
28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
First, this passage is speaking of the New Covenant.
Second, there are three elements in each verse that are all addressing obedience, which indicates that the New Covenant is NOT UNILATERAL, but it is BILATERAL. Just like the Siniatic Covenant with Israel, the New Covenant also places demands upon the participants, obligations which must be met in order to remain abiding in the covenant relationship.
Third, “trampled underfoot” is the Greek word katapateo, meaning to tread upon, and figuratively meaning to “willfully disobey” as it has to do with law. The person who is trampling underfoot the Son of God is one who is walking in willful disobedience to Him. This also indicates that the New Covenant is to be obeyed, particularly since Christ is the New Covenant personified – in order to remain in the Covenant one must remain walking in obedience to Christ

[QUOTE=FunFromOz;39373]As I see it this is what has to happen if one loses his salvation. Am I correct?

Rom. 5:1 I was justified (completely forgiven and made righteous) but because of my behaviour the forgiveness was withdrawn and I’m no longer forgiven or justified or righteous.
Eph. 1:13, 14 I was given the Holy Spirit as a pledge (a deposit/down payment) guaranteeing my inheritance to come but my behaviour negated the guarantee and the Holy Spirit was removed.
Eph. 2:6 I was raised up and seated with Christ in heaven but because of my behaviour I was expelled.
Col. 1:13 I was delivered (rescued) from the domain of darkness (Satan’s rule) and transferred to the kingdom of Christ but my behaviour meant I was expelled from Christ’s kingdom and are again in Satan’s.


Because of turning to unbelief.

2 Cor. 1:21 I was established, anointed, and sealed by God in Christ but I caused the seal to be broken and I’m not in Christ any more.


No, God caused it to be broken as the Spirit departed, when he disowned you since you disowned him.

Eph. 1:4 I was chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blame before Him but my behaviour overrode God’s choice and I’m no longer holy and without blame.
Eph. 1:5 I was predestined to be adopted as a son and was one for a while but I counteracted that and am no more.


You were chosen in Christ, not in and of yourself. Which means that you must be found in Christ for this to take effect.

Col. 1:14 I was redeemed and forgiven of all my sins (the debt against me has been cancelled). (see Col. 2:13, 14) but because of my behaviour the forgiveness was withdrawn and the debt reapplied.


The cancellation of the debt only applies to those who are found in Christ. Whether those who are found outside Christ were previously found in Christ or not, doesn't matter.

2 Pet. 1:4 I was given exceedingly great and precious promises by God by which I was a partaker of the divine nature (God’s nature) but my behaviour was such that God reneged on his promise and I no longer partake of the divine nature.
Col. 3:1-4 I was raised up with Christ. I died with Christ. My life was hidden with Christ in God. Christ was my life but no longer, I’m no longer hidden, my death was reversed, I’ve been dropped.

Gal. 2:20 I was crucified with Christ and it was no longer I who lived, but Christ lived in me. (The life I am living is Christ’s life.) but I overcame the crucifixion, became alive in myself again and Christ no longer lives in me.


There was always a remnant of the old man in you when you were a believer and when the Spirit departs because you turned to unbelief, you go back to being only that old man. Only in afterlife will there be no remnant of the old man that can be revived again.

Eph. 1:7, 8 I had been redeemed, forgiven, and was a recipient of His lavish grace, but His grace was insufficient and withdrawn along with the forgiveness meaning I’m no longer redeemed.


It wasn't insufficient. It simply doesn't apply to someone who is found outside Christ.

1 Cor. 1:30 I have been put into Christ by God’s doing but removed by mine.
2 Tim. 1:9 / Titus 3:5 I had been saved and called (set apart) according to God’s doing but my own doing caused this to be undone.



It motioned God to disown you, making it his doing.

Heb. 2:11 Because I was sanctified and was one with the Sanctifier (Christ), He was not ashamed to call me brother but He is now as I’m no longer His brother.

Mat 10:33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

Rom. 6:1-6 I died with Christ and died to the power of sin’s rule on my life but in my own strength I raised myself to the life that’s in the power of sin and overcame the death I had in Christ.
Eph. 2:5 I was made alive together with Christ but was so bad I died again, my wickedness being more powerful than the life of Christ.
Col. 2:10 I was made complete in Christ but not complete enough as I still had the ability to override everything He’s done.


Not really, it is rather a matter of God being displeased with those who draw back and therefore he chooses to disown them. It is the same reasoning as when he demands faith before he saves people to begin with.

Col. 2:7 I was firmly rooted in Christ and was being built up in Him but got pulled out by the roots.

Cut off the vine, cut off the olive tree etc. There are hosts of scriptures on this.

Col. 2:12, 13 I was buried, raised, and made alive with Christ but died again and un-buried?
Col. 2:11 I was spiritually circumcised (my old, unregenerate nature has been removed) but I’ve got my foreskin and my old undegenerated nature back.
2 Cor. 5:14, 15 Since I had died, I no longer lived for myself, but for Him (Christ) but then I decided to live for myself again which reversed that death.


The remnant of the old man who was still there in you takes over.

Col. 1:27 Christ Himself was in me but because of my behaviour He left.
2 Tim. 1:7 I was given a spirit of power, love, and self-discipline but the self-discipline just wasn’t good enough.

Your actions are your choice. Grace empowers you but doesn't override your free will.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Your actions are your choice. Grace empowers you but doesn't override your free will.

Thank you, it's interesting to see how others see it.

As I asked Quest elsewhere, "Do you then agree with the Roman Catholic scholar Desiderius Erasmus who in the 1520s argued against Martin Luther's assertion that the unbeliever is completely enslaved to his sinful nature?"

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

Thank you, it's interesting to see how others see it.

As I asked Quest elsewhere, "Do you then agree with the Roman Catholic scholar Desiderius Erasmus who in the 1520s argued against Martin Luther's assertion that the unbeliever is completely enslaved to his sinful nature?"

I agree with Martin Luther in the sense that the unbeliever cannot turn to God from the heart unless the Spirit draws him first.

I don't agree that the unbeliever cannot help but sin from conception and on. Maybe after he actually sinned he cannot help but sin but not from the beginning. It involves a choice. If he cannot help but sin then there would be no way God could judge him for it and call himself just. It would be like punishing someone for going to the toilet which they eventually cannot help but do.

[QUOTE=Colonel;39400]

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

As I see it this is what has to happen if one loses his salvation. Am I correct?

Rom. 5:1 I was justified (completely forgiven and made righteous) but because of my behaviour the forgiveness was withdrawn and I’m no longer forgiven or justified or righteous.
Eph. 1:13, 14 I was given the Holy Spirit as a pledge (a deposit/down payment) guaranteeing my inheritance to come but my behaviour negated the guarantee and the Holy Spirit was removed.
Eph. 2:6 I was raised up and seated with Christ in heaven but because of my behaviour I was expelled.
Col. 1:13 I was delivered (rescued) from the domain of darkness (Satan’s rule) and transferred to the kingdom of Christ but my behaviour meant I was expelled from Christ’s kingdom and are again in Satan’s.


Because of turning to unbelief.

2 Cor. 1:21 I was established, anointed, and sealed by God in Christ but I caused the seal to be broken and I’m not in Christ any more.


No, God caused it to be broken as the Spirit departed, when he disowned you since you disowned him.

Eph. 1:4 I was chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blame before Him but my behaviour overrode God’s choice and I’m no longer holy and without blame.
Eph. 1:5 I was predestined to be adopted as a son and was one for a while but I counteracted that and am no more.


You were chosen in Christ, not in and of yourself. Which means that you must be found in Christ for this to take effect.

Col. 1:14 I was redeemed and forgiven of all my sins (the debt against me has been cancelled). (see Col. 2:13, 14) but because of my behaviour the forgiveness was withdrawn and the debt reapplied.


The cancellation of the debt only applies to those who are found in Christ. Whether those who are found outside Christ were previously found in Christ or not, doesn't matter.

2 Pet. 1:4 I was given exceedingly great and precious promises by God by which I was a partaker of the divine nature (God’s nature) but my behaviour was such that God reneged on his promise and I no longer partake of the divine nature.
Col. 3:1-4 I was raised up with Christ. I died with Christ. My life was hidden with Christ in God. Christ was my life but no longer, I’m no longer hidden, my death was reversed, I’ve been dropped.

Gal. 2:20 I was crucified with Christ and it was no longer I who lived, but Christ lived in me. (The life I am living is Christ’s life.) but I overcame the crucifixion, became alive in myself again and Christ no longer lives in me.


There was always a remnant of the old man in you when you were a believer and when the Spirit departs because you turned to unbelief, you go back to being only that old man. Only in afterlife will there be no remnant of the old man that can be revived again.

Eph. 1:7, 8 I had been redeemed, forgiven, and was a recipient of His lavish grace, but His grace was insufficient and withdrawn along with the forgiveness meaning I’m no longer redeemed.


It wasn't insufficient. It simply doesn't apply to someone who is found outside Christ.

1 Cor. 1:30 I have been put into Christ by God’s doing but removed by mine.
2 Tim. 1:9 / Titus 3:5 I had been saved and called (set apart) according to God’s doing but my own doing caused this to be undone.



It motioned God to disown you, making it his doing.

Heb. 2:11 Because I was sanctified and was one with the Sanctifier (Christ), He was not ashamed to call me brother but He is now as I’m no longer His brother.

Mat 10:33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

Rom. 6:1-6 I died with Christ and died to the power of sin’s rule on my life but in my own strength I raised myself to the life that’s in the power of sin and overcame the death I had in Christ.
Eph. 2:5 I was made alive together with Christ but was so bad I died again, my wickedness being more powerful than the life of Christ.
Col. 2:10 I was made complete in Christ but not complete enough as I still had the ability to override everything He’s done.


Not really, it is rather a matter of God being displeased with those who draw back and therefore he chooses to disown them. It is the same reasoning as when he demands faith before he saves people to begin with.

Col. 2:7 I was firmly rooted in Christ and was being built up in Him but got pulled out by the roots.

Cut off the vine, cut off the olive tree etc. There are hosts of scriptures on this.

Col. 2:12, 13 I was buried, raised, and made alive with Christ but died again and un-buried?
Col. 2:11 I was spiritually circumcised (my old, unregenerate nature has been removed) but I’ve got my foreskin and my old undegenerated nature back.
2 Cor. 5:14, 15 Since I had died, I no longer lived for myself, but for Him (Christ) but then I decided to live for myself again which reversed that death.


The remnant of the old man who was still there in you takes over.

Col. 1:27 Christ Himself was in me but because of my behaviour He left.
2 Tim. 1:7 I was given a spirit of power, love, and self-discipline but the self-discipline just wasn’t good enough.

Your actions are your choice. Grace empowers you but doesn't override your free will.

Colonel, in case I have never told you, I admire your perseverance...