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    Romans 4:8 is interesting. It is taken from Psalm 32 :

    Psalm 32:1 Blessed*is he whose*transgression*is*forgiven,
    Whose*sin*is*covered.
    2*Blessed*is*the man to whom the*Lord*does not impute iniquity,
    And in whose spirit*there is*no deceit.
    3*When I kept silent, my bones grew old
    Through my groaning all the day long.
    4*For day and night Your hand was heavy upon me;
    My vitality was turned into the drought of summer.*Selah
    5*I acknowledged my sin to You,
    And my iniquity I have not hidden.
    I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the*Lord,"
    And You forgave the iniquity of my sin.*

    Verses 3-5 do not support the notion that future sins do not need to be dealt with.

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    Of course WE must always act on godly sorrow that comes upon the believer which leads to repentance.

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    The interesting question is exactly what happens if we fail to do that. Or keep failing to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
    Rom 4:8 . . Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    The Greek word for "impute" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to keep an inventory, In other words: an indictment; which Webster's defines as an official written statement charging a person with a crime.
    2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them

    The Greek word in that passage for "imputing" is, again, logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which, again, means to keep an inventory, In other words: an indictment; which Webster's defines as an official written statement charging a person with a crime.

    I don't like using words like "thick skull" but until new covenant beneficiaries get it settled in their minds once and for all that God is not keeping a record of their unconfessed sins with which to slam them at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, they will always be nervous about it. But Jesus gave his word in the passage below that such a tragedy will never occur.

    John 5:24 . . I assure you: Those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

    So then, I suggest we put that issue to rest and consider passages like the one below.

    1John 1:3-10 . . What we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, that you also may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ. And these things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.

    . . . And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you: Tthat God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

    . . . If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

    The most important word in that whole passage is "fellowship". It's from the Greek word koinonia (koy-nohn-ee'-ah) which has nothing to do with heaven and all to do with the quality of one's association with God.

    Take for example David. His blunder with Bathsheba put a big chill on David's association with God and it wasn't until David came clean about it that God restored not his salvation, rather, the joy of his salvation. (Psalm 32 & 51)

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    This is a question (like election) that has two sides, both of which, I believe, can be seen in Scripture. Currently, I fall more to WebersHome point of view. When we become Christians, we are a new creation and one benefit of that new creation is that we have become a totally forgiven person. At the cross, our sins were dealt with and so was our flesh. We were crucified with Christ. We are dead to sin, but alive to God. Sins are gone: past, present, and future. We do not have to come back to a fresh sin offering each time we sin. That's OT. The new covenant is far superior, having dealt with our sins once and for all.

    From Satan's point of view, what is his goal is getting us to sin? Some would say it's just getting us to sin itself. But I think his real goal is to spiritually paralyze us by bringing us into condemnation and shame. What would happen, though, if we learned to refuse condemnation and shame, even when we sin? What would happen if when we sinned, we just looked up to God and thanked Him for His forgiveness for that sin. That would shut Satan down immediately. And if we learn to live a guilt and condemnation free life, Satan really loses his foothold of condemnation. And happily, I believe, with that demonic strategy neutralized, we actually sin less. When we are able to overcome condemnation and shame, we can overcome the sin that causes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lively Stone View Post
    Unconfessed, unrepented of sin in the life of a believer will not condemn him, because His sins have already been dealt with---past, present and future, and God has already forgiven and forgotten them, but it can very well shipwreck his life, and cause him to lose out on certain rewards at the Bema Seat Judgment of Christ that have been reserved for him.

    I completely agree. Like the man that was involved with his father's wife. Paul said...

    "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." 1 Corinthians‬ *5:5‬ *

    "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand." John‬ *10:27-29‬ *

    Christians miss it at times. Some more than others. "Where sin abounds, grace abounds more." Only those that reject Christ's atonement for their sins go to hell.
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    Let's say that the atonement covers all future sin as long as I remain in the faith and dont reject my Savior. Let's say that I really am saved right now and my future actions cannot negate that fact since they cannot alter the past in and of itself. How far can I go with living in sin and still be in the faith and still be saved, as long as I dont actually reject the faith. Can I for instance join the sicilian mafia and work as a hired killer ? They probably wouldnt mind that I professed faith in Christ even to them, since it is part of the catholic religion.

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    I completely agree. Like the man that was involved with his father's wife. Paul said...

    "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” 1 Corinthians‬ *5:5‬ *

    “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.” John‬ *10:27-29‬ *

    Christians miss it at times. Some more than others. "Where sin abounds, grace abounds more." Only those that reject Christ's atonement for their sins go to hell.

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    If you are a hired killer, I would argue that's evidence of rejecting the faith. We know true Christians by the fruit they bear. If you're bearing murderous fruit, you're not connected to the true vine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    If you are a hired killer, I would argue that's evidence of rejecting the faith. We know true Christians by the fruit they bear. If you're bearing murderous fruit, you're not connected to the true vine
    The true vine doesnt ever produce a single bad fruit of any kind, so by that standard we would all no longer be connected to the vine every time we sin at all, and until we repent and are connected to the vine again. But this standard presupposes that we no longer have a carnal nature and that we only have one source for the fruit that we bear, our connection to the true vine. That is not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
    God is not keeping a record of their unconfessed sins with which to slam them at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15,
    Q: Can we really expect people to respect the law-- any law, human or divine --without law enforcement?

    A: God fully enforced His law on the cross.

    Isa 53:6 . . All of us like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; but the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him.

    2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself

    2Cor 5:20-21 . .Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were entreating through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

    That may seem a strange way to enforce law but seeing as how it works for God; then I'm definitely all for it.

    Luke 2:8-12 . . And in the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened.

    . . . And the angel said to them: Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

    Well, I think it goes without saying that a savior unable to protect people from their unconfessed sins is pretty much a paper tiger; and the angel's announcement of "great joy" is about as reliable as a campaign promise.

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