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07-21-2016, 08:23 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
Of Jesus it is said that "He will save His people from their sins"
And He said "this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins"
And He also said "all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"
Of Him it's said "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you"
And Paul said "I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures"
And that Jesus "gave Himself for our sins"
So why isn't the sin of unbelief forgiven? "blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness" but why the sin of unbelief?
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is rooted in unbelief. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a rejection of Christ. The reason it is not forgiven is because the person who commits that sin does so in a state of being irretrievably lost. They are not at all repentant. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a purposeful, calm and determined and wholly unrepentant rejection of Jesus in the full knowledge of what one is rejecting.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is never done in ignorance by unbelievers, and in the NT it amounted to rejecting Jesus on the basis that He was operating under the power of demons in the full knowledge that he was operating in the power of the Holy Spirit. They knew who Jesus was and they hated him all the more for it. It cannot be forgiven because the one committing will not repent of it.
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07-21-2016, 07:33 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
Why isn't everyone saved regardless of whether they believe or disbelieve ? Because God does demand one thing of us before he saves us : faith in the risen Christ.
believe = saved
disbelieve = not saved
couldn't be simpler
So until one's brain has matured to the level that they can believe ..... the obvious.
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07-21-2016, 07:39 PM
#103
Senior Member
Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
So until one's brain has matured to the level that they can believe ..... the obvious.
It is my impression that children dont actually sin until they are already mature enough to relate to the basics of the gospel, but then we are over into a different discussion.
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07-21-2016, 07:56 PM
#104
Banned
Originally Posted by
Colonel
It is my impression that children dont actually sin until they are already mature enough to relate to the basics of the gospel, but then we are over into a different discussion.
We are and also to be answered (based on your wording) is "what if a person never hears the basics of the gospel?" and "then why do they die?"
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07-22-2016, 04:00 AM
#105
Senior Member
Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
We are and also to be answered (based on your wording) is "what if a person never hears the basics of the gospel?" and "then why do they die?"
We are all born with a mortal body with a carnal nature inherited from our parents. Physical immortality departed in the garden of Eden.
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07-22-2016, 04:08 AM
#106
Banned
Originally Posted by
Colonel
Physical immortality departed in the garden of Eden.
And there I thought it was the wages of sin.
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07-22-2016, 04:19 AM
#107
Senior Member
Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
And there I thought it was the wages of sin.
We inherit mortality as an effect of their sin, yes. That is not the same as inheriting guilt.
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11-07-2016, 09:36 AM
#108
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The New Testament Greek noun for "gospel" is euaggelion (yoo-ang-ghel'-ee-on); which means: a good message-- the contents of the message; viz: good news.
Its complimentary action verb is euaggelizo (yoo-ang-ghel-id'-zo) which means: to announce a good message; viz: to herald it; like this:
● Luke 2:8-12 . .And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, "Don't be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today, in the town of David, a savior has been born to you; he is Messiah, the Lord.
Not every version of Christianity has a gospel that qualifies as "good news of great joy". Several announce a version that is neither good nor joyful at all; but is actually bad news indeed because their message-- although adequately announcing the reality of Divine retribution --fails to tell of a guaranteed fail-safe, sin-proof, human nature-proof, Ten Commandments-proof, bad behavior-proof, apostasy-proof, reprobate-proof, God-proof, Devil-proof rescue from the wrath of God. Roman Catholicism, the very centerpiece and public image of Christianity, can't even guarantee safety for its own Popes.
Friday, April 8, 2005; millions of Catholics around the world-- including Cardinals, Bishops, and Monsignors --prayed for Karol Wojtyla during his funeral. Let me point out something that should go without saying: if someone has already gone on to eternal life; is it really necessary to continue praying for them? Of course not. They'd be home free. The millions of Catholics left behind would be the ones in need of prayer; not Mr. Wojtyla. But the sad reality is: no Catholic, not even a Pope, knows for sure where they're going when they cross over to the other side.
If Popes are in danger of missing out on eternal life, then what "great joy" does news like Rome's gospel have to offer John Q and Jane Doe pew warmer? None, no joy at all.
So then, truly good news should be exciting and beneficial to everyone who hears it; regardless of whether they're sinners or saints, Jew or Gentile, male or female, adult or child, rich or poor, slave or free, smart or dumb, educated or ignorant, literate or illiterate.
The angel of Luke 2:8-12 announced the birth of a savior. Webster's defines a "savior" as one who rescues. Examples of rescuers are lifeguards, firemen, cops, emergency medical teams, Coast Guard units, snow patrols, and mountain rescue teams. Rescuers typically save people who are facing imminent death and/or grave danger and utterly helpless to do anything about it.
Of what real benefit would the rescuer of Luke 2:8-12 really be to anybody if he couldn't guarantee a fail-safe, sin-proof, human nature-proof, Ten Commandments-proof, bad behavior-proof, apostasy-proof, reprobate-proof, God-proof, Devil-proof rescue from the wrath of God? He'd be of no benefit to anybody. No; he'd be an incompetent ninny that nobody could rely on.
But, if a rescuer were to be announced who guaranteed anybody who wants it, a completely free of charge, no strings attached, guaranteed fail-safe, sin-proof, human nature-proof, Ten Commandments-proof, bad behavior-proof, apostasy-proof, reprobate-proof, God-proof, Devil-proof rescue from the wrath of God, and full-time protection from future retribution; wouldn't that qualify as good news of great joy? I think just about everybody would have to agree with me that news like that would not only most certainly be good; but also cause for celebration, and for ecstatic happiness.
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