Thread: Spiritual Coverings

Originally Posted by Colonel

Where does what he is referring to in verse 16 begin ? The "such custom" that only the Corinthians had ? We know it includes verse 14 because that one contradicts the law.

He is simply pointing out their custom confirms their previous understanding that this is true....and the context tells us it's just the order of God's creation.

Totally disagree with her that husbands are not the covering of the wife

In regard to pastors being your spiritual covering there are elements of truth but it should not be taken to extremes as then it becomes control

A pastor is shepherd and the shepherd is supposed to watch over the sheep and love and protect them. If you belong to a church you automatically come under the covering of the pastors who are given an anointing for your well being and growth.

Sadly pastors can abuse this

The other side of the coin is an independent rebellious spirit where Christians don't want to submit to anyone

With due respect I wouldn't allow this lady to speak at any church I was pastoring

Here is the passage in question. I'll leave the parts that people here want to apply in black and the parts that noone here follows, in red. Then I suggest that someone here explains why they keep the black parts and dismiss the red parts.

1 Cor 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered to you.
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.
5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved.
6 For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man.
9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.
10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.
12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.
13 Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?
14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?
15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.
16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

Some women in the church should have this covering

That's discussed in a different passage, actually. The coverings discussed in 1 Cor 11 could be a matter of the Corinthians having a weak conscience in relation to their own traditional customs. When I travelled India in 2002 I discovered that showing the soles of one's feet to someone, even unintentionally, was seen as a serious insult. The Muslim world is worse.

Originally Posted by Colonel

That long hair is a dishonor to a man ? The Nazirites (the most notable example is John the Baptist), most Jews, Jesus and Paul himself had long hair !

Is verse 14 a true statement or is it not ?

The custom of their time was their outward demonstration of submission...I believe Paul was speaking a truth of God's order and then pointing to a common custom of their day explaining the connection.

No I don't believe the length of a person's hair demonstrates the condition of the heart...but it can.

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

Some women in the church should have this covering

Some probably should..

Originally Posted by Colonel

Here is the passage in question. I'll leave the parts that people here want to apply in black and the parts that noone here follows, in red. Then I suggest that someone here explains why they keep the black parts and dismiss the red parts.

1 Cor 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered to you.
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.
5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved.
6 For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man.
9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.
10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.
12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.
13 Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?
14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?
15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.
16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

The entire passage is simple,

1 Cor 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered to you.
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

VS4-15 describe the custom or tradition and then in vs 16 he says, "16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God"

The custom or tradition seems to be an outward expression but as fuego stated, the tradition does not change this fact, 'But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.'

Originally Posted by A.J.

I've been in the place of having a "spiritual covering" -->pastor<-- who just about stomped the life out of me spiritually

Got any examples? You make it sounds like the guy was doing some very bad things like sleeping with your wife, writting checks on your bank account, or other terrible things.

Without naming names, what are some of these terrible things did he do???

...repeatedly takes scripture out of context...

John Bevere was raised cathlik, so go figure.