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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Paul is discussing a custom that the Corinthians had that they apparently tried to apply within a Christian context and Paul is pointing out that they dont make any sense. This part of it :

    14*Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?

    directly contradicts the Nasiree vow from the law and general Jewish customs from that time. He goes on to sum it up :

    16*But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor*do*the churches of God

    meaning that noone else was attemtping to apply such a custom within a Christian context. Which implies that we should be very careful with applying what he is discussing in that chapter directly.
    Verse 3 is a direct comment to Christians.

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    Yeah, that book is so off it isn't funny.
    I stopped listening to Bevere when he released that book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Verse 3 is a direct comment to Christians.
    If so, isnt verse 14 also ? And what exactly is verse 16 referring back to ?

    Per Acts 18:18 Paul himself let his hair grow long which makes verse 14 particularly strange at face value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    I stopped listening to Bevere when he released that book.
    Him and his wife look and sound very cool (but not quite believable) when they are shown on god tv but i'm not sure how much more there is to it. I remember him going on and on about some strange theory he had about women who were temptresses or something like that, as if he was merely venting about something he had experienced the other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    If so, isnt verse 14 also ? And what exactly is verse 16 referring back to ?

    Per Acts 18:18 Paul himself let his hair grow long which makes verse 14 particularly strange at face value.
    I'm not discussing the other verses. I'm discussing verse 3. It is directly spoken to the readers by Paul. So you don't believe 'I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God'? Paul doesn't preface that comment with any qualification as to what he said is 'custom'. So not sure what you are getting at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I'm not discussing the other verses. I'm discussing verse 3. It is directly spoken to the readers by Paul. So you don't believe 'I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God'? Paul doesn't preface that comment with any qualification as to what he said is 'custom'. So not sure what you are getting at.
    Where does what he is referring to in verse 16 begin ? The "such custom" that only the Corinthians had ? We know it includes verse 14 because that one contradicts the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    I haven't heard anything in regards to spiritual coverings in a long time until I ran into this article yesterday. Do you agree, disagree...did the idea really originate in the 70's charismatic movement?


    Why Pastors, Elders, & Husbands Are Not Your "Spiritual Covering"

    -When I first began blogging and doing ministry online, I wrote something controversial on Facebook (imagine that). What I wrote offended one of my friends, and she asked me who my "spiritual covering" was.

    In some recent movements in the Christian world, a "spiritual covering" is a person who supposedly has more spiritual authority than other Christians – normally a pastor, elder, or priest of some sort. I was taken aback by the question and at that point I did not know the biblical answer, so I wrote back and said,

    "My dad is my spiritual covering. He has been a pastor and mentor my whole life."

    My answer makes me cringe now, because it's not true.

    The truth is that the Bible never mentions the need for any sort of "spiritual covering" to do ministry or to make life decisions. The idea of Christians needing a "spiritual covering" originated in the 1970s, out of the charismatic movement.

    Many pastors, elders, and husbands have used the idea to manipulate, control, and spiritually abuse less knowledgeable and more vulnerable Christians.

    Often, 1 Peter 5 is used to support the need for Christians to submit to their pastors, elders, and husbands as their "spiritual covering." In the text, Peter is encouraging church leaders to care for their congregation, but there is no indication that leaders have more "spiritual authority" than other Christians.

    Rather, there is indication that church leaders have been given a sort of "earthly authority" to do their job and Peter clearly writes, "Do not lord it over those in your charge, but be examples to the flock (1 Peter 5:3)." A godly leader leads by example and never seeks to control others.

    "Spiritual authority" comes from the Holy Spirit who lives within every Christian (1 Corinthians 3:16). The Holy Spirit that lives inside of one's pastor or elder is the same Holy Spirit that lives inside of all Christians.

    Therefore, every Christian has an equal amount of "spiritual authority" to minister to the world and to make their own life decisions, with the Holy Spirit's guidance.

    Jesus commissioned and empowered all of us when He said...

    http://www.jorymicah.com/why-pastors...tual-covering/
    I agree but would add an addendum that the article either disagrees with or just did not touch on...The NT clearly indicates a certain hierarchy but ironically indicates it's found in servants. Paul stated 'follow me as I follow Christ' and he clearly wrote letters of admonition that indicated apostles designated by God did have a level of leadership authority.

    Ironically another flip side of the Charismatic coin was a spirit of rebellion that essentially said they follow the Holy Spirit and therefore re not accountable to any human...these are two extremes and the truth is in the middle..

    The truth is the Holy Spirit will lead us to people we are to submit to and learn from. He will open our eyes to recognize people He has positioned for us to be accountable too.

    Sort of like the trinity, we are to follow the Holy Spirit who will speak to us through scripture and to people advanced spiritually to learn from...but He is to always be the center so when it's time He leads us away from them as well...

    'Spiritual authority' may not be the correct term but some are called and designated to be servant leaders to others while some are called to minister one on one day to day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    We were in two abusive churches during the "Shepherding movement" of the 1970s. The main guys were the "Florida Four." Bob Mumford, Derek Prince, Don Basham, and Charles Simpson.

    One of the roots of the movement was based on Watchman Nee's book "Spiritual Authority." As with everything that gets abused in the church (deliverance, tongues, healing, etc.), there was a truth there that I believe God wanted to restore to the church, but man got his hands on it and it turned to abuse. The truth is that a lot of Christians are weak today and easy prey for the enemy because there is no accountability in their life. They are not submitted to godly authority in the way God designed it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherding_Movement
    Yes....that is the flip side of the extreme coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Totally agree with the article sort of disagreeing with "...Husbands Are Not Your "Spiritual Covering". Just depends on what she means by that. I think 1 cor. 11:3 is saying that a husband covers his wife, just like Jesus covers the husband and the Father covers Jesus. But maybe covering isn't the right word, although Paul does then talk about covering there.
    I agree....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Paul is discussing a custom that the Corinthians had that they apparently tried to apply within a Christian context and Paul is pointing out that they dont make any sense. This part of it :

    14*Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?

    directly contradicts the Nasiree vow from the law and general Jewish customs from that time. He goes on to sum it up :

    16*But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor*do*the churches of God

    meaning that noone else was attemtping to apply such a custom within a Christian context. Which implies that we should be very careful with applying what he is discussing in that chapter directly.
    I agree with this being a custom but the message behind it is equally true and accurate...I am a woman and I know far too well our weakness that EVE clearly demonstrated in the Garden..I am also very familiar with Adam's failure there as well...Ironically God in His wisdom called women to submit and they clearly hate to and called men to lead and be accountable and responsible and generally speaking they clearly don't want to..our current culture in the US is a strong indicator of this ...

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