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From a post of mine from December :
Originally Posted by
Colonel
A vision of a future for the Church is where that presence is so real among those who worship God in Spirit and truth that words and actions have that presence as a sort of background radiation. Kind of like they will already know who we represent and who we are before they perceive anything else than that. At some level.
This vision of a future for the Church equals a vision of the early Church. I know this because of the testimony of the former pastor of the church I attend, in a vision he was present in a meeting held by the apostle Paul. He watched people run up to confess their faith and be baptized while screaming at the top of their lungs. It was not the message, it was the demonstration of it by Spirit.
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You are not presenting the full gospel if you leave any part of it out.
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Originally Posted by
Nikos
You are not presenting the full gospel if you leave any part of it out.
we agree to disagree....
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Our preaching must be the full gospel or it is not the gospel at all. Leaving out some of the gospel for fear that someone may not receive salvation is usurping the work of the Holy Spirit. You are not the one who saves, therefore you are to preach it all and leave the rest up to the Holy Spirit.
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Originally Posted by
Nikos
Our preaching must be the full gospel or it is not the gospel at all. Leaving out some of the gospel for fear that someone may not receive salvation is usurping the work of the Holy Spirit. You are not the one who saves, therefore you are to preach it all and leave the rest up to the Holy Spirit.
Amen!
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Originally Posted by
wheeze
Nikos, we agree to disagree....
But you do end up doing that, don't you ? Or others who would follow up do. Including such things as eschatology, angels, the creation of the world. People are supposed to get saved some time before they finished bible college, whether the full or the brief version of it.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
But you do end up doing that, don't you ? Or others who would follow up do. Including such things as eschatology, angels, the creation of the world. People are supposed to get saved some time before they finished bible college, whether the full or the brief version of it.
of course but not at the beginning.... i want them to experience the love of God and His healing power...
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Not every sinner is having a bad experience. They are not short on love, (so they think). I know many who would never gotten saved without the full message of the gospel.
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Originally Posted by
wheeze
of course but not at the beginning.... i want them to experience the love of God and His healing power...
Preaching a lot about hell can become a substitute instead of presenting the things of the kingdom. The powerless can always attempt to stir up some fear of torment in the already slightly religious. Anyone can do that, all it takes is some inclination to believe in its reality. Ask "God hates fags" etc, they will tell you how to do that and with some results.
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Originally Posted by
Nikos
Not every sinner is having a bad experience. They are not short on love, (so they think). I know many who would never gotten saved without the full message of the gospel.
not everyone agrees with your shall we say "methods?"
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