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There are many who believe in the serpent seed doctrine, the version where some human beings are the offspring of Eve and are elect and will or can be saved, then there are the offspring of the devil who are nonelect and cannot be saved. Instead of us all being children of the devil because of personal sin and us all being redeemable and eligible for sonship by the new birth. They see nonelect children of the devil around them and physically inherited impurity may or may not be part of it. There is some level of connection between historical racism and these currents, and also to Calvinism. It is also an American phenomenon. These things are naturally alien to an ethnic Norwegian but having spent 20 years on christian forums largely populated by Americans means I am acquainted with a lot of it, whether I remember the details or not.
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Originally Posted by
KaySharpe
What if the guy sitting next to you is actually a nephilim and can't be saved, can't be trusted, is irredeemable, and out to get you? .
That explains alot of things especially when I go to Pastors meetings
and watch Christian TV
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
That explains alot of things especially when I go to Pastors meetings
and watch Christian TV
I do admit to having that thought on more than one occasion whilst watching Christian TV.
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Originally Posted by
KaySharpe
That's a BIG part of it ...
Also considering that the Flood would've only taken care of the offspring that were running around then ... What about all the ones since? What if the guy sitting next to you is actually a nephilim and can't be saved, can't be trusted, is irredeemable, and out to get you? (That teaching is rampant in the church by the way ... Not from most pulpits, but in the pews).
The scripture says that in the days of Noah and afterwards. And I think you would notice a giant setting next to you.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
Nope, since I don't believe angelic beings and humans can procreate. I think it would be 'physically' impossible since angels are spirits, regardless if they have the ability to manifest themselves in the natural.
But what scripture do you have to back up this theory bro? The only one I have seen people use is where Jesus said that we will be like the angels in heaven and not marry. If you use that scripture it gives you one witness. But that doesn't say that they cannot procreate. It says that they don't. However, according to scripture some did leave their proper abode and go after strange flesh(humans). They are now chained in a deep dark chasm because of it. The bible says that a matter is established by 2 or more witnesses.
The evidence for is far greater than the evidence against.
So, if you don't believe that these "sons of God" were angels, then who do you believe that they were? The Sethite theory holds no water. If the "sons of God" were simply godly men (as the theory goes) who married ungodly women, then the world would be full of giants today also.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
There are many who believe in the serpent seed doctrine, the version where some human beings are the offspring of Eve and are elect and will or can be saved, then there are the offspring of the devil who are nonelect and cannot be saved. Instead of us all being children of the devil because of personal sin and us all being redeemable and eligible for sonship by the new birth. They see nonelect children of the devil around them and physically inherited impurity may or may not be part of it. There is some level of connection between historical racism and these currents, and also to Calvinism. It is also an American phenomenon. These things are naturally alien to an ethnic Norwegian but having spent 20 years on christian forums largely populated by Americans means I am acquainted with a lot of it, whether I remember the details or not.
Oh yeah, the "serpent seed" doctrine-Cain was the son of satan and Eve. These became the "canaanites" which they translate into kenites which still are among us to this day(as the theory goes). Arnold Murray was one of the propagators of this false doctrine.
It even goes as far as to really focus in on the "2 of every flesh" who were taken onto the ark included some of these, and that is how they are traced back to Cain.
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Originally Posted by
Ezekiel 33
Oh yeah, the "serpent seed" doctrine-Cain was the son of satan and Eve. These became the "canaanites" which they translate into kenites which still are among us to this day(as the theory goes). Arnold Murray was one of the propagators of this false doctrine.
It even goes as far as to really focus in on the "2 of every flesh" who were taken onto the ark included some of these, and that is how they are traced back to Cain.
The "serpent's seed" taken as referring to specific physical individuals or inherited physical characteristics from these individuals - is common to all of this.
The gospel is about us all being children of the devil because of our personal sin, us all having a carnal nature stained by original sin and us all being eligible for sonship by the new birth. There is no difference, everyone who has sinned is corrupted and everyone who is born in Adam shares in the corruption of his flesh.
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Originally Posted by
Ezekiel 33
But what scripture do you have to back up this theory bro? The only one I have seen people use is where Jesus said that we will be like the angels in heaven and not marry. If you use that scripture it gives you one witness. But that doesn't say that they cannot procreate. It says that they don't. However, according to scripture some did leave their proper abode and go after strange flesh(humans). They are now chained in a deep dark chasm because of it. The bible says that a matter is established by 2 or more witnesses.
Jude doesn't say that the angels went after women sexually. That's a massive reach on your part.
Originally Posted by
Ezekiel 33
So, if you don't believe that these "sons of God" were angels, then who do you believe that they were? The Sethite theory holds no water. If the "sons of God" were simply godly men (as the theory goes) who married ungodly women, then the world would be full of giants today also.
6 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive[a] with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Nowhere does that say that the children of that union WERE the giants ... it says that giants EXISTED. At the same time that this was happening. Giants exist today, too.
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Originally Posted by
KaySharpe
Jude doesn't say that the angels went after women sexually. That's a massive reach on your part.
6 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive[a] with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Nowhere does that say that the children of that union WERE the giants ... it says that giants EXISTED. At the same time that this was happening. Giants exist today, too.
Whole tribes of giants were the product of these ungodly unions.
Jude
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Do a word study on the word "abode" used here. It is the Greek word "oiketerion" which refers to the body as a dwelling place for the spirit. Also note that Jude says that they had given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh just like Sodom and Gomorrah, and because of this they were chained under darkness for the judgment of the great day.
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Originally Posted by
KaySharpe
Jude doesn't say that the angels went after women sexually. That's a massive reach on your part.
6 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive[a] with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
First of all, do you agree that the "sons of God" referred to in Genesis 6 are indeed fallen angels?
Secondly, it says that "they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose." It also says that these "sons of God" came in to the daughters of men and they "bore children to them". So this evidence would say that yes, they did commit sexual immorality with them. In the Hebrew mindset the marriage wasn't official until it was consummated if I remember correctly.
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