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    My apologies if I am sounding double minded.
    I believe it can be a genuine ministry and don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water

    There will always be those who will turn it into a fiasco but it should not stop the genuine prophets going online

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I wasn't saying I agree with it. But your original argument did make me want to hear others try to debate your 'argument'. I mean what's the practical difference all things being equal?
    All things being equal there is no reason a prophet should not go online

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    A bigger problem in the church is senior pastors who have way too much control and abuse their power and then won't allow prophets to speak into their lives. Yet the SP still gets paid his weekly wages even if he ends up ruining the church

    Oh well that's another discussion


    Apologies to the many decent and godly SP's doing a great work who have served God faithfully

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    Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give

    Charging money for strictly supernatural phenomena is wrong. That turns God's temple into a vendor's place. One may charge for the human component involving overhead costs, time and effort. Charging in advance puts pressure on God to perform, like Moses did when he struck the stone so water would come forth. Charging in advance for a prophecy is even worse since the prophet will then simply fill in what is missing when God doesnt let himself be pressured into being a prophecy vending machine. Charging for a session involving a conversation with the prophet would be different.

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    Charging money for strictly supernatural phenomena is wrong.
    Thank you, Colonel!
    There is nothing in scripture that says to quit your day job to operate in the five fold ministry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    Thank you, Colonel!
    There is nothing in scripture that says to quit your day job to operate in the five fold ministry.
    1 Tim 5:17*Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine.*18*For the Scripture says,*“You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer*is*worthy of his wages.”

    1 Cor 9:7*Who ever goes to war at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat of its fruit? Or who tends a flock and does not drink of the milk of the flock?
    8*Do I say these things as a*mere*man? Or does not the law say the same also? 9*For it is written in the law of Moses,*“You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain.” Is it oxen God is concerned about?*10*Or does He say*it*altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt,*this*is written, that he who plows should plow in hope, and he who threshes in hope should be partaker of his hope.*11*If we have sown spiritual things for you,*is it*a great thing if we reap your material things?*

    Receiving a wage as a laborer is scriptural and a prophet who doesnt come up with genuine prophecy, a preacher or teacher who has no anointing etc can be replaced by someone who does. But charging money specifically for the works of the Holy Spirit is wrong.

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    I don't agree with the current Charismatic church system which makes the gifts into occupations. Paul made tents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    I don't agree with the current Charismatic church system which makes the gifts into occupations. Paul made tents.
    He did so because he was a travelling minister without financial backing. Those were tough times. He did receive wages from richer churces :

    2 Cor 11:8 I*robbed*other churches, taking wages*from them*to minister to you.

    He did so to be able to minister to those who had nothing to offer. He also received many gifts, especially when he was in prison.

    This system where people are supposed to work full time then do part to full time unpaid ministry work can lead to ministers getting exhausted and performing poorly in both settings. Paul did something like that but it was voluntary on his part, he still maintained their right to receive wages for the ministry work done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    I don't agree with the current Charismatic church system which makes the gifts into occupations. Paul made tents.

    The Evangelicals did way before the Charismatics. They didn't have apostles , prophets but had the other 3 ministry giftings as full time

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    what the heck? paying prophets? i dont think so!!!! the prophet is to operate in the local church or is 1st Cor 14 false? the prophet does not tour the country prophesying for a buck! anyone who does then the question is "is these person a real prophet?" which leads me to my second thought! (i average 2 or 3 a day) if all the conferences and seminars are God ordained then why pay registration fees and other assorted costs? i mean if it is God ordained then won't God take care of the expenses through His supernatural provision? does He need man to beg for Him or collect money on His behalf? like we all know Paul held conferences and seminars in all the churches he established selling hankys personally signed and ready to heal for a price. and i'm sure he discounted for those who gave to his ministry large seed faith donations to step into his shadow for that healing! yes i know Peter started it but if it works why reinvent the wheel? my gosh then we wonder why the church in america is in a comatose state?

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