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    which would be difficult if you're in the process of dying when you see the truth.. other than the obedience of believing God.

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    †. 1Cor 15:1-4 . . Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

    . . . For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day

    Were you to ask John Q and/or Jane Doe Watchtower Society missionary if they believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, I can assure you they would answer in the affirmative. However, what you may not know is that you and they would not be on the same page as the conversation would be talking about two very different processes that go by the same name. In other words: you would find yourself thrown off by semantic double speak.

    The standard Christian understanding of Christ's resurrection is common throughout the gospels; viz: Jesus Christ died as a physical human being and he came back as a physical human being as per John 2:19-22.

    But according to the Watchtower Society's way of seeing things; Christ didn't return from death physically at all; and here's why.

    In Watch Tower Society theology, an angel named Michael volunteered to come to the earth to die for humanity's sins. But in order to do so; he had to relinquish his angel existence to become a human being seeing as how in Society theology it is impossible for someone to exist as a spirit being and a human being simultaneously. Thus when Michael's so-called "life force" was transferred to flesh and given the name Jesus; he became not only a different species of life, but a whole other person too; viz: except for his so called "life force" Michael the angel ceased to exist.

    But Michael's existence as a human being was only temporary. When his human existence passed away on the cross, the rumor is that God transferred Michael's life force back into his angel corpse and restored him to his former spirit existence; thus leaving his human corpse in a permanent state of decease.

    There is a really, really big hole in the Society's theology; and that's the dead man's corpse. In order to confirm that Jesus stayed dead, the Society is going to have produce his remains. A piece of evidence of that significance can't be allowed to just slip through a crack unnoticed as if it makes no difference.

    †. Acts 1:1-3 . .The first account, O Theophilus, I composed about all the things Jesus started both to do and to teach, until the day that he was taken up, after he had given commandment through holy spirit to the apostles whom he chose. To these also by many positive proofs he showed himself alive after he had suffered.

    Did Jesus really show himself alive by many positive proofs after he had suffered? Not according to the Watch Tower Society. In their theology, Michael the angel showed himself alive by means of a materialized body that resembled his alter ego in every way-- nail prints and spear wound to boot --because Michael's human body had to stay dead in order for him to regain his angel body.

    There are some seriously fatal flaws in that theory.

    1• The New Testament never even one time, on any occasion, nor under any circumstances, nor in any situation, either attests, alleges, alludes, or states that an angel named Michael appeared in Christ's human form cloaked in a materialized body.

    2• Michael the angel never once identities himself as Michael the angel when allegedly appearing in a materialized body.

    3• Passing one's self off in the guise of a dead man is the lowest form of identity theft imaginable. People do it all the time; and it's what I expect from human beings, but that is not the kind of behavior I have a right to expect from an arch angel.

    4• A so-called materialized body is not a real person; it's an avatar.

    5• Neither Paul, nor Peter, nor John, nor James, nor Jude, ever even one single time in any of their writings correlate Jesus Christ with Michael the angel: not once. You'd think that if Michael the angel was Jesus Christ, that those men would have said so because that would be a really big deal.

    If Prince didn't believe Jesus Christ's crucified body revived, then according to 1Cor 15:1-4 he departed this life an unsaved man.

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    If Prince didn't believe Jesus Christ's crucified body revived, then according to 1Cor 15:1-4 he departed this life an unsaved man.

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    I'm pretty sure that's what EVERYone's been saying.. While also saying, it's not our job to determine that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    John 14:6 (KJV)

    6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
    That is the Truth! Amen! But we have to clearly identify who we are talking about with people who are influenced by false religion. WHO is "ME" .... the Jesus of the Watchtower religion, ... i.e. Michael the angel, a created being, or the JESUS of the Bible, the Living, Resurrected LORD????

    If a man follows the Jesus of the cults, and lives a reprobate life, how can anyone imagine that that man will be in heaven?

    Sometimes our wishful thinking supersedes reality. We are fond of certain celebrities and want to think of them as going to heaven and escaping the horrors of hell for eternity, and we imagine, without any signs or evidence of true faith in Christ, that somehow they made it in.

    When we do that, do we not water down the power of the gospel and make it more difficult for the lost to see the real issue of repentance and faith in Christ, ... and of the importance of living the faith?

    I am so sorry that Prince died and that he died like he did. the circumstances of his death are still under investigation.

    He was a tremendous musical artist and deserves acclaim for his achievements in that realm. But it saddens me to think of the people he influenced away from the truths of God as revealed in the Bible.

    Just like with Elvis Pressley, Stevie Ray Vaughn, and so many others, ... I wonder how different it would have been if he had believed in and lived for Christ and served the Lord instead of himself. ... such amazing talent and musical skill, .... if he had dedicated it to the Lord and used it for the glory of God....

    And then, we should bring it all back home and consider our own lives, what we believe and how we live, ... Are we trusting Christ, are we sold out to Him? Are we fully committed to serving the Lord and obeying His directives in life? Are we obeying the Great Commission? ... and what kind of legacy are we leaving for our children, friends and others around us?

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    †. 1Cor 15:4 . . He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

    One of the primo scriptures related to Christ's recovery is located in the Psalms.

    †. Ps 16:8-10 . . I have placed Jehovah in front of me constantly. Because he is at my right hand, I shall not be made to totter. Therefore my heart does rejoice, and my glory is inclined to be joyful. Also, my own flesh will reside in security. For you will not leave my soul in Sheol. You will not allow your loyal one to see the pit.

    According to Acts 2:25-31, that passage in the 16th Psalm speaks of Christ; particularly that his crucified body was not left to putrefaction.

    Another scripture speaking of Christ's recovery, is the story of Jonah.

    †. Matt 12:40 . . For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish three days and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

    Was Jonah alive in the fish? Yes. The whole time? No.

    At some point in Jonah's nautical adventure he went to a place called sheol (Jonah 2:2) which he described as the bottoms of the mountains (Jonah 2:6).

    The bottoms of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, no; they're located down deep in the earth.

    Now when you think about it, Christ's corpse wasn't interred in the heart of the earth. In point of fact it was interred on the surface of the earth in a rock-hewn tomb. So then, in order for Christ to be down in the heart of the earth while up on the surface too-- literally two places at once --he and his body had to part company and go separate ways.

    Just before being vomited ashore, Jonah prayed thus:

    †. Jonah 2:6 . .To the bottoms of the mountains I went down. As for the earth, its bars were upon me for time indefinite. But out of the pit you proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God.

    The Hebrew word for "pit" in that verse is the very same word for "pit" in Ps 16:8-10; which Acts 2:25-31 verifies is speaking of putrefaction. In other words: Jonah 2:6 is the language of resurrection.

    So then, just as Jonah's soul was not left in sheol, neither was Christ's. And just as Jonah's body was not left to decompose, neither was Christ's. So then, both men came back from death as normal human beings rather than spirit beings. If that were not so, then the story of Jonah would be a pretty useless parallel to Christ's story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ari View Post
    That is the Truth! Amen! But we have to clearly identify who we are talking about with people who are influenced by false religion. WHO is "ME" .... the Jesus of the Watchtower religion, ... i.e. Michael the angel, a created being, or the JESUS of the Bible, the Living, Resurrected LORD????

    If a man follows the Jesus of the cults, and lives a reprobate life, how can anyone imagine that that man will be in heaven?

    Sometimes our wishful thinking supersedes reality. We are fond of certain celebrities and want to think of them as going to heaven and escaping the horrors of hell for eternity, and we imagine, without any signs or evidence of true faith in Christ, that somehow they made it in.

    When we do that, do we not water down the power of the gospel and make it more difficult for the lost to see the real issue of repentance and faith in Christ, ... and of the importance of living the faith?

    I am so sorry that Prince died and that he died like he did. the circumstances of his death are still under investigation.

    He was a tremendous musical artist and deserves acclaim for his achievements in that realm. But it saddens me to think of the people he influenced away from the truths of God as revealed in the Bible.

    Just like with Elvis Pressley, Stevie Ray Vaughn, and so many others, ... I wonder how different it would have been if he had believed in and lived for Christ and served the Lord instead of himself. ... such amazing talent and musical skill, .... if he had dedicated it to the Lord and used it for the glory of God....

    And then, we should bring it all back home and consider our own lives, what we believe and how we live, ... Are we trusting Christ, are we sold out to Him? Are we fully committed to serving the Lord and obeying His directives in life? Are we obeying the Great Commission? ... and what kind of legacy are we leaving for our children, friends and others around us?
    All this is certainly true...and yet, two of his "proteges" (and former lovers I believe), Vanity and Shelia E--became lovers of Jesus (i.e Christians)..Vanity is now with Him and Sheila is an evangelist. Maybe what pointed them to the Lord was that whole scene/lifestyle with Prince and how ultimately that was destroying them. Both were still friends with him and probably DID talk to him about the Lord. But like Femme is saying, it's not our job to say where Prince (or anyone else that has passed on) is.

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    Completely agree 1000% with one exception. If someone is cursing God in his last breath and dies, then we know for certain. But I REALLY don't like speculating because if I wasn't there, I don't know. I mean, Prince could have sat down with the bible 2 hours before he died, and was like, "You know what, Jesus was divine, the Son of God, and died for my sins! Thank you Jesus! I know that my JW teaching was wrong."

    That is why, imo, it's wrong to speculate if you weren't there and have no intimate knowledge of the person. JMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    All this is certainly true...and yet, two of his "proteges" (and former lovers I believe), Vanity and Shelia E--became lovers of Jesus (i.e Christians)..Vanity is now with Him and Sheila is an evangelist. Maybe what pointed them to the Lord was that whole scene/lifestyle with Prince and how ultimately that was destroying them. Both were still friends with him and probably DID talk to him about the Lord. But like Femme is saying, it's not our job to say where Prince (or anyone else that has passed on) is.

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    He may not have been a strict JW, seeing that he had an adventist background and some of his friends were evangelical Christians. We really dont know what was in his heart at the time of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    All this is certainly true...and yet, two of his "proteges" (and former lovers I believe), Vanity and Shelia E--became lovers of Jesus (i.e Christians)...
    I corresponded with Denise Matthews (Vanity), and know for a fact that she witnessed to Prince - Now, whether he called on the Jesus that she talked to him about with his last dying breath is only known by the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

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    This is from near the end of the article...


    Prince's former drug dealer tells how the legend spent $40,000 at a time on six-month supplies of Dilaudid pills and Fentanyl patches - highly addictive opioid pain killers - for 25 years
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...addiction.html


    ...Doctor D said that the religious star - who converted to the Jehovah's Witness faith in 2001 - would often talk about God during their meetings.

    He would even try to convert the drug dealer and invited him to religious gatherings.

    'We were never close friends - I was his drug dealer that's it,' Doctor D said.

    'We got along well he was a nice guy - I wouldn't say anything bad about him.

    'He never confided in me about his love life or anything but he often used to preach about God to me.

    'Maybe it was a form of guilt - I think he felt guilty he was buying drugs from a drug dealer so he'd start conversing about God and the Spirit.

    'He'd say, 'You know there's only one God and we're all here for a reason - to serve God.'

    'And he'd say, 'We have to be good people it's important that we try to be good people,' he had a thing about being a good person.

    'He asked me to go to meetings with him - I'm not sure exactly what kind of meetings they were - but it was some kind of religious thing.

    'You learn when you're selling drugs to someone just to listen and go along with them.

    'I'd pretend I'd go to the meeting and then next time I saw him I'd just be like 'oh no sorry I couldn't make it.

    'That's all he really talked about.' ...
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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