Thread: Is this actually a doctrine?

I dont think anyone is discussing letting people impart something as in 'whatever they want'. If Im tricked into thinking that a holy christian is laying hands on me but just yesterday he became a wiccan, for instance, and my motivation is not to receive "whatever he's got" but only to receive from the Holy Spirit, then there is nothing he can do by trickery.

Originally Posted by CatchyUsername

Zeke, you keep throwing in these unrelated things that no one is even thinking.

As far as I know and understand, when people use the phrase, "laying on of hands", they aren't talking about the authority of the Believer in the manner you are talking about. We all understand the authority we walk in, and don't need Todd White to tell us this. That's not what we are talking about....at all. We are talking about UNDERSTANDING and WISDOM. The purpose of the laying on of hands is IMPARTATION. If someone has serious issues in their lives, why would you allow them to lay hands on you for the purpose of imparting something? I don't even understand that.....

With that said, if you want to allow just anyone lay hands on you and impart whatever, that's cool with me. I just personally don't do it, and it looks like I'm not alone.

And don't accuse those of us who actually use wisdom, of fear, paranoia, or whatever. That's really just a false accusation. I have no clue why this is even being questioned, to be honest. Why would any believer allow just anyone to lay hands on them for the purpose of imparting something? I am flabbergasted that this is even being discussed, to be honest. This is just common sense.

We are all mature Believers with good fruit in our lives. To question someone's faith by hinting that they are fearful, paranoid, and superstitious, is very disingenuous.

Alexander and Hymenaeus lead people astray because they didnt understand that they had fallen and their teaching spread like cancer. But then the same people werent focused on the Holy Spirit either, more likely they were focused on receiving "whatever new revelation our buddies have got this time". So always staying focused on the Holy Spirit, whatever and whoever it is, is paramount.

Um, Zeke, I personally have never once heard this "taught", so that is not my paradigm. Matter of fact, I have literally only heard what YOU are saying taught. So that is not a correct assumption on your part.

My paradigm again, is not fear, not superstition, not having seen this "taught" by my favorite teacher.

I'm talking about experience over almost 30 years. I have literally seen flakiness imparted through the laying on of hands. Literally. What the scriptures do teach is to have dominion over your own life so that you CAN be a blessing to others. If you do not have authority over demons in your own life, then you will not have authority over demons in another's life. So that is a biblical principle, though you are talking about healing specifically.

But like I said...hey....you can have anyone at anytime lay hands on you if you want, just don't accuse others of being fearful if that is not their own personal preference.

Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33

I'm not trying to diss anyone. But unless you know absolutely everything about a person, you don't know if they have sin in their life or not. The question seems to boil down to this-Can they transfer their sin or an unclean spirit to us if they aren't perfect? I don't see that taught in the Word of God, yet it seems like what folks are saying that they believe to be true.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything either sis. The question of where does faith stop and superstition start was an honest and sincere question, and not an accusation. If we are walking with the Lord we have nothing to fear from any spirit. We must open a door before they can come into our life.

And you have known me long enough to know that I am not questioning anyone's faith. I know that you all are wonderful and mature believers. But I like to ask the sometimes tough questions and dissect what the church at large believes compared to what the bible actually teaches. This is good for us. It is good to examine why we believe such and such.

Is it because that is the way we always heard it taught, or is it because we have studied it out to see if it is actually supported by scripture? This surely would not be a doctrine worth breaking fellowship over, or putting distance between brothers and sisters in Christ.

When I lay hands on someone for healing, it is understanding that I do it in the authority of Jesus. He is my Badge. I am imparting healing by the power of the Holy Spirit in the authority of the name of Jesus.

The principle taught in Luke 11:5-13 could be applied to this, even though that passage is concerning the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
If you are trusting God to heal you, then you know that He is not going to give you a demon when the person lays hands on you.

Zeke, if what you're saying is true in an absolute sense, that means also that the devil can't attack us period without success. But we know he can. And this is just another avenue where we could be attacked.

Im going to guess that the one who got the flakiness wanted exactly that, thinking that that was the Holy Spirit.

The one who got flakiness has no clue, but it's apparent to everyone else. Trust.

Just thought I'd add, without going into detail, that the person who received flakiness imparted to him, had a good friend that moved in deliverance and had some pretty strange ideas about some aspects of deliverance. Those aspects were given and taught, but then some very bizarre things were "imparted" when this person's friends laid hands on him....again, I'd rather not go into detail, but some mighty strange things started manifesting in this person's life after that.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Im going to guess that the one who got the flakiness wanted exactly that, thinking that that was the Holy Spirit.

If we are talking about trusting a person to minister in the Holy Spirit whether it comes to prophecy, impartations or whatever then I personally trust NOONE. Not a single soul anywhere. I will always screen or attempt to screen everything through the medium of my personal relationship with the Holy Spirit and through scripture, testing everything. That is really what everything comes down to, not WHO is allegedly doing what and what I think of that person up until now. There is way too much trust going on in various Christian circles and there is more abuse and confusion as a result of it than actual progress. We need to trust in God, the Holy Spirit and not in man.

Originally Posted by fuego

Zeke, if what you're saying is true in an absolute sense, that means also that the devil can't attack us period without success. But we know he can. And this is just another avenue where we could be attacked.

He cant succeed unless we open up to him in some way, from the heart. The heart is what matters, not external things.

Originally Posted by Colonel

He cant succeed unless we open up to him in some way, from the heart. The heart is what matters, not external things.

Well, see, this is the point, and you actually touched on it in your post right before this one.

See, when it came to the flakiness getting imparted, I personally believe that this happened specifically because the person in question respected the gifting the other person had in the area of deliverance. Therefore, when he had hands laid on him, his heart and spirit were open to whatever was imparted. And boy did some real flaky stuff get imparted......it is no joke.