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    i might add here Mathew 6:33

    “But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you."

    in His kingdom and righteousness is His will and n His will is His financial provision. i give according 2 His will and according 2 the ministries He speaks to me about. thats when i give with cheer n my heart and i know he'll give it back 2 me n many different ways and not just money....

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    Gen 26:12 Then Isaac sowed in that land, and reaped in the same year a hundredfold; and the*Lord*blessed him.*
    13*The man began to prosper, and continued prospering until he became very prosperous;*
    14*for he had possessions of flocks and possessions of herds and a great number of servants. So the Philistines envied him.

    The above is a literal use of the term. Otherwise it is used about producing fruit, where the word sown into ones life produces a hundredfold as it is sown again into others lives. And then about receiving rewards in this life based on losing things for the sake of the kingdom, the rewards listed are many and of many different kinds. There is no mention of giving money and then receiving a hundred times as much money, that is a very contextless interpretation.

    According to the seed analogy, the closest one can get is to where giving a ministry seed to sow into their good soil will produce a hundredfold (for them!) in terms of good fruit, then God may reward the giver for his loss for the sake of the kingdom - including in this life. Mixing giving and sowing into a "give to get" doctrine is going too far with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeze View Post
    i might add here Mathew 6:33

    “But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you."

    in His kingdom and righteousness is His will and n His will is His financial provision. i give according 2 His will and according 2 the ministries He speaks to me about. thats when i give with cheer n my heart and i know he'll give it back 2 me n many different ways and not just money....
    Yes, we already know that...But what we're discussing now is the different types of giving. I'd like to stick with that. None of us here are covetous, greedy, or lustful over money. I assume all of us here have a pure heart, We love God, and He comes first before all things. We agree.

    The scriptures we're discussing here are talking about money. When we sow kindness, we reap kindness. When we sow discord, we reap discord. When we so love, we reap love. We "reap what we sow."

    Why is it that Christians feel guilty for expecting a return on the money we sow when God CLEARLY says He will give us a return on it? It's not wrong to expect God to keep His word, especially when He says to "remind Him" of it. Isaiah 43:26

    We expect God to keep His word when it comes to healing; when it comes to Salvation; when it comes to direction, etc. so why is it we have a problem expecting God to keep His word concerning finances?

    I believe we've been so conditioned to think we shouldn't expect a return on the money we give that it's ingrained in our psyche. So many Christians believe it's ungodly to expect a return on our giving when God has said He will repay and even bless us with more than we gave.

    When the scriptures talk about giving money, they always follow with receiving back either what we give, or even more than what we gave. I expect God to do what He said because He said, " if you are willing and I didn't, you shall eat the good of the land." What does that mean to you?
    When your praise match your prayers, the answer will come.
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    I believe the major reason why too many Christians are lacking is because they don't expect to receive anything in the area of money. We expect all of our prayers to be answered except when it comes to money.

    The devil has done a number on Believers concerning money. The mindset of most Christisns have become so twisted in the area of finances, it's going to take a miracle to undo what Satan and ignorant or deceitful preachers have done.

    The money on this planet belong to the children of the kingdom of God, not the devil's kids. And I believe when we understand these different types of giving the way God needs us to, we'll finally be able to do what needs to be done in winning the lost to Christ all over the world.
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    Our modern society is more money oriented than theirs was. Trading goods and services for other goods or services was more common. The tithing system of the law was oriented on produce rather than on money or on monetary value. One of the scriptures on a hundredfold return mentions gaining brothers and sisters as a reward in and of itself. It doesnt talk about rewards as matching the loss exactly. People want it to so that they can create a give to get doctrine where money out produces even more money in but it isnt that simple. God doesnt deal with us in terms of pyramid schemes.

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    Mixing giving and sowing into a "give to get" doctrine is going too far with this.
    No one is promoting a "give to get doctrine."

    Please stick with the OP. We're strictly discussing the four types of giving, and the kind of return God said we'd receive on that giving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    I believe the major reason why too many Christians are lacking is because they don't expect to receive anything in the area of money. We expect all of our prayers to be answered except when it comes to money.

    The devil has done a number on Believers concerning money. The mindset of most Christisns have become so twisted in the area of finances, it's going to take a miracle to undo what Satan and ignorant or deceitful preachers have done.

    The money on this planet belong to the children of the kingdom of God, not the devil's kids. And I believe when we understand these different types of giving the way God needs us to, we'll finally be able to do what needs to be done in winning the lost to Christ all over the world.
    Good points. A common reaction to excesses like give to get is to throw the baby out with the bath water and all of sudden God doesnt bless at all and if he does then it doesnt involve money. And giving has nothing to do with anything. All of which are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    No one is promoting a "give to get doctrine."

    Please stick with the OP. We're strictly discussing the four types of giving, and the kind of return God said we'd receive on that giving.
    Im merely discussing the theme in terms of excesses, Im not saying that anyone in this thread believes in that. Read my previous post and you will see. I type fast but it still takes me a few minutes to finish typing what I had in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Im merely discussing the theme in terms of excesses, Im not saying that anyone in this thread believes in that. Read my previous post and you will see. I type fast but it still takes me a few minutes to finish typing what I had in mind.
    Then you should start a new thread about excess & ponzie schemes and stop hijacking this thread with off topic points. I've asked that we stick with the OP as respectful as I can, yet you keep interjecting these off topic opinions. Why must you always do that???
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    I was trying to discuss things with Wheeze, he is much more against that stuff than I am.

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