Thread: preach against

sorry...when I wrote out the OP it occurred to me that we don't need to be encouraged to love ourselves. It was a bunny trail for me. The REAL issue was the preaching against anything in the Bible that doesn't reflect the Luke statement to love the Lord, love your neighbor, and love yourself.

I have a feeling that he's guiding his church into acceptance of a few homosexual people in the church. The thing is...you can love someone and not agree with what they're doing.


This church is FULL of elderly people, so it's possible they didn't even HEAR what he said.

Originally Posted by njtom

Generally speaking, we do love ourselves by default in the sense that our primary concerns lie with our own welfare;

And that is exactly what Jesus means. Consider another's welfare as you do your own. It's not intended to get into all the 'well does everybody really love themselves or love who they are', etc, etc.

Originally Posted by njtom

Generally speaking, we do love ourselves by default in the sense that our primary concerns lie with our own welfare; it's the result of the animalistic survival instinct. What Jesus is instructing us to do is to move beyond these base instincts and towards a more inclusive stance that views others as equally valuable as ourselves.

Not necessarily. We certainly have a propensity for self destructive behavior, even when we do or should know better. The human being isn't necessarily a very rational creature, even at that level.

Originally Posted by Lista

sorry...when I wrote out the OP it occurred to me that we don't need to be encouraged to love ourselves. It was a bunny trail for me. The REAL issue was the preaching against anything in the Bible that doesn't reflect the Luke statement to love the Lord, love your neighbor, and love yourself.

I have a feeling that he's guiding his church into acceptance of a few homosexual people in the church. The thing is...you can love someone and not agree with what they're doing.


This church is FULL of elderly people, so it's possible they didn't even HEAR what he said.

Sounds like you are probably right.

Originally Posted by Lista

sorry...when I wrote out the OP it occurred to me that we don't need to be encouraged to love ourselves. It was a bunny trail for me. The REAL issue was the preaching against anything in the Bible that doesn't reflect the Luke statement to love the Lord, love your neighbor, and love yourself.

I have a feeling that he's guiding his church into acceptance of a few homosexual people in the church. The thing is...you can love someone and not agree with what they're doing.


This church is FULL of elderly people, so it's possible they didn't even HEAR what he said.

Curious... how old is elderly? And don't they use a microphone?

Originally Posted by Lista

This church is FULL of elderly people, so it's possible they didn't even HEAR what he said.

Originally Posted by A.J.

...don't they use a microphone?

That one made me

Originally Posted by krystian

That one made me

Well, it IS the 21st century!

Originally Posted by njtom

Generally speaking, we do love ourselves by default in the sense that our primary concerns lie with our own welfare; it's the result of the animalistic survival instinct. What Jesus is instructing us to do is to move beyond these base instincts and towards a more inclusive stance that views others as equally valuable as ourselves.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Not necessarily. We certainly have a propensity for self destructive behavior, even when we do or should know better. The human being isn't necessarily a very rational creature, even at that level.

Years ago I heard a sermon about that, as in how you can love others as yourself if you don't really love you...there are people who don't like themselves or who have feelings of low self worth.

good grief people....let's stay on track! What do y'all think about the comment...."preach against anything in the Bible that doesn't support love God, your neighbor and yourself"?



















(AJ....I answered your question in the other thread about age. Yes, they normally have a microphone, but their sound system was stolen.)

Originally Posted by Colonel

When Jesus uses that word he means God's love, not any kind of love.

thats what i said.... i need a drink...