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"For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." (Galatians 3:10)
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I believe that the videos I posted show what happened in the early church. When folks came to Christ, they were taken out and baptized. They were set free, because Jesus came to set them free. Now fast forward 2000 years and the church treats baptism as some sort of after thought, a non-necessity. And we wonder why brother or sister so and so is still tormented by demons after they have been saved for 2, 10, 15, 20 years?
And our solution is to now minister deliverance and healing to them.
But what did Jesus teach and how did His disciples react to that teaching and then disperse it to the churches? Jesus said "Whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved." Part of that being saved is being saved from the torment or "curse" of the devils that they have picked up during their unsaved life. There is no peace for someone who is demonized. And yet, Jesus said "My peace I give you".
Is it insane to follow the pattern shown in the bible and expect the same outcome?
Since I have been following these principles, I too have seen demons coming out of many people when they are baptized, and they are set free. And it is a wonderful and powerful experience for all involved!
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Originally Posted by
KaySharpe
"For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." (Galatians 3:10)
Hi Kay! If I recall the context here was faith in works for salvation VS faith in Christ's redemptive work.
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There are at least two different words in the NT translated as 'curse'.
Matthew 5:44 is Strongs G2672 (abbreviated definition to imprecate evil upon)
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse G2672 you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Galatians 3:10,13 is Strong's 1944 (abbreviated definition exposed to divine vengeance)
Galatians means those who place their faith in works for salvation vs Jesus' redemptive work alone have opened themselves up to divine vengeance.
I believe the term generational curse has been over mystified...When believers believe a lie, they act on that lie...they sin and they expose their family to the consequences of that sin. Now if the child of that believer gets saved and believes that same lie and acts on that lie the result is the same.
BUT when someone is born again, as someone noted earlier, if they understand they are a new creation and are to surrender to the transforming relationship with the Holy Spirit and hold no allegiance to 'family' traditions when He reveals their error they walk free and point their future family in the right direction.
But each and every believer is only bound by what they believe, not by what their parents believed.
I can see the grandchild of a slave owner praying, Father I am so sorry for the sins of my grandparents...forgive me for any lies they passed down and reveal them to me and change me...
The curse of sin is broken by faith in Jesus Christ appositionally, but experientially as we grow in the truth and are transformed. In every believer this work begins at the new birth..the work of revealing lies, deceptions we embraced while we were lost, and us embracing the revealed truth that sets us free.
Can we experience negative consequences due to believing lies still? Yes...If I believe it's ok to steal from the rich because I am poor stealing is going to bring consequences both spiritually and in the natural. Is that because my parents believed that lie? NO..it's because I agree with them and embrace it myself.
And Satan is the father of lies in that area I am agreeing with him and will reap the consequences..
Holy Spirit is the most wise counselor for the new believer to embrace as He and Jesus have a personalized training program for each of us...Unfortunately some pastors and teachers try to usurp that role..
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The gospel has really been over complicated
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Originally Posted by
Quest
The gospel has really been over complicated
And that is why I am determined to be just a simple gospel preacher.
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Originally Posted by
Ezekiel 33
And that is why I am determined to be just a simple gospel preacher.
Books teaching the simple stuff won't sell bro..
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Quest
Books teaching the simple stuff won't sell bro..
Ain't out to sell books, just bring as many as I can into the kingdom and disciple them.
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I am glad Jesus said it is Finished.
I serve a conquering Christ.
The blood has never lost its power.
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Respectfully, the NT doesn't follow every single new convert, to see what occurs years after their new birth.
I mean.....if someone OPENS THE DOOR to sin, a curse can follow.
I am clueless as to why anyone would disagree with that.
I have known plenty of Believers over the years that have lived VERY cursed lives. Sure, it's mostly because of ignorance and unwilling to do the hard stuff, but I've still seen it.
The science of epigenetics specifically, and in great detail, explains generational curses. When I first heard my first lecture about epigenetics, I was astonished. Because it explains so much about why people are the way they are, but it explains it scientfically. It's really amazing. The science of epigenetics even explains positive confession and faith.
When people open their mind and heart, and look at things from different perspectives, it can be very eye opening.
Originally Posted by
Ezekiel 33
I believe that the videos I posted show what happened in the early church. When folks came to Christ, they were taken out and baptized. They were set free, because Jesus came to set them free. Now fast forward 2000 years and the church treats baptism as some sort of after thought, a non-necessity. And we wonder why brother or sister so and so is still tormented by demons after they have been saved for 2, 10, 15, 20 years?
And our solution is to now minister deliverance and healing to them.
But what did Jesus teach and how did His disciples react to that teaching and then disperse it to the churches? Jesus said "Whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved." Part of that being saved is being saved from the torment or "curse" of the devils that they have picked up during their unsaved life. There is no peace for someone who is demonized. And yet, Jesus said "My peace I give you".
Is it insane to follow the pattern shown in the bible and expect the same outcome?
Since I have been following these principles, I too have seen demons coming out of many people when they are baptized, and they are set free. And it is a wonderful and powerful experience for all involved!
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