Thread: The Caviar and Champagne Gospel

And still there is no scriptural case to show that this false doctrine was taught to the NT church.
Nikos, study to show yourself approved. If you cannot find more than a half scripture taken out of context to prove your doctrine then it is just that-YOUR doctrine, and not the church's.

Originally Posted by Nikos

This is bad stuff. Who is this guy anyway?

This is the guy who keeps challenging you to prove your pet doctrine with a scriptural case. This is the guy who keeps watching a guy who calls himself Nikos try to hang a NT doctrine on one half of a scripture, and that taken out of context.


In this single passage of scripture that seems to be all you can come up with, we must ask some questions-
Who was Jesus talking to?- He was talking to Jews who were still under the Old Covenant between God and the Jewish people. If He would have told them anything different, then He would have been telling them to break that covenant. This would have made Jesus a law breaker, punishable by death, and it would have disqualified Him from being the Messiah.

So, what then was actually taught to the NT church about giving? First of all, we are taught that we are now bond servants of Christ. A bond servant (slave) owns nothing of their own. All they have belongs to their Master. This is the first principle of NT giving. Paul also taught the spiritual law of sowing and reaping-Whatsoever a man sows, so shall he reap. He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly.

To establish NT doctrine, we must look at the things Jesus taught to His disciples, how they responded to these things, and then how they disseminated them to the church. Anything less than this will lead us into man-made religious traditions.

Throughout ALL of the epistles, there is only one passage that mentions tithing. The book of Hebrews, which was written to Jewish believers (and I am not saying that it is not for all of us). However, the passage where it is used is a passage where the writer is showing the reader that Jesus Christ is superior to every other king or priest, even Melchizedek. This was something that would have really driven home his message to Jewish believers.

Nikos my brother, a servant of the Lord must be patient and able to teach. If you want to establish that tithing is actually for NT believers, then a man with all of your years of experience and time in the word of God should be able to produce the scriptures IN CONTEXT which prove your case. However, you won't even try.

You would rather stick to your mantra "If it was good enough for Jesus..........."

Brother Nikos, its time for you to stand up and be able to prove what you hold as NT doctrine with Scripture. Study it out and produce the evidence to support your position. The Word of God has to be our plumb line in these things. You must be able to rightly divide the Word of Truth. Please show us that you are able to do this.

God bless you bro.