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Sickness must be REBUKED and not EMBRACED
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i once had a pastor of a church i was a elder at tell me "people get sick n this church and people die n this church." he told me i was not allowed 2 talk about spiritual warfare 2 anyone n the church.... he gave satan legal access to the church and shortly thereafter the worship leader died. she was n her early 40's with 4 boys.... sense then cancer has been the number one sickness n the church. now they die n 3's......
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Hey Wheeze, sounds like the Lord sent you there to help them and they rejected the help. Sad but what can you do when people prefer Satan's works over God's.
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Amen AJ
Satan has distorted our minds to the point where we believe that it is okay to claim one of his illnesses but it is utter HERSY to claim God's promises of healing. What a warped idea about God we have.
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Originally Posted by
victoryword
Amen AJ
Satan has distorted our minds to the point where we believe that it is okay to claim one of his illnesses but it is utter HERSY to claim God's promises of healing. What a warped idea about God we have.
Very good point.
It reminds me of something similar, although not exactly, that TL Osborn has in his great book on divine healing. A lady who was sick came up to him to ask him for prayer, and she asked him how she could know it was God's will to heal her. And he asked her was it God's will to save her? And she said 'yes'. And he asked how did she know? And she says because John 3:16 tells her that it is. I don't remember exactly how he replied, but basically it was along the lines of this woman and Christians in general believe that is God's will to save beyond a shadow of a doubt because of one little scripture. And you couldn't convince them otherwise just because of one little scripture. Yet we have many scriptures and and examples in the Bible of it being God's will to heal, and all this teaching on divine healing, yet people still aren't convinced it's His will to heal them.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
Very good point.
It reminds me of something similar, although not exactly, that TL Osborn has in his great book on divine healing. A lady who was sick came up to him to ask him for prayer, and she asked him how she could know it was God's will to heal her. And he asked her was it God's will to save her? And she said 'yes'. And he asked how did she know? And she says because John 3:16 tells her that it is. I don't remember exactly how he replied, but basically it was along the lines of this woman and Christians in general believe that is God's will to save beyond a shadow of a doubt because of one little scripture. And you couldn't convince them otherwise just because of one little scripture. Yet we have many scriptures and and examples in the Bible of it being God's will to heal, and all this teaching on divine healing, yet people still aren't convinced it's His will to heal them.
Protestant tradition declares certainty about salvation by faith. In Catholic tradition God wants to save but one can never know fully if one really is saved.
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Me too Sharie! I heard Kate McVeigh teach on the subject years ago. The Holy Spirit instructed her to tell her mother to stop saying "my cancer." When she did, she got healed! We walk by faith, not by sight."
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Originally Posted by
fuego
Very good point.
It reminds me of something similar, although not exactly, that TL Osborn has in his great book on divine healing. A lady who was sick came up to him to ask him for prayer, and she asked him how she could know it was God's will to heal her. And he asked her was it God's will to save her? And she said 'yes'. And he asked how did she know? And she says because John 3:16 tells her that it is. I don't remember exactly how he replied, but basically it was along the lines of this woman and Christians in general believe that is God's will to save beyond a shadow of a doubt because of one little scripture. And you couldn't convince them otherwise just because of one little scripture. Yet we have many scriptures and and examples in the Bible of it being God's will to heal, and all this teaching on divine healing, yet people still aren't convinced it's His will to heal them.
This is what irates me about some cessationists. Many of them hold firm to the belief that God wills all to be saved (go to heaven) but apply a different hermeneutic to the Scriptures on the healing of the body. Just can't see how people can read the gospels and still accept the idea that it is not God's will to heal.
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Originally Posted by
victoryword
This is what irates me about some cessationists. Many of them hold firm to the belief that God wills all to be saved (go to heaven) but apply a different hermeneutic to the Scriptures on the healing of the body. Just can't see how people can read the gospels and still accept the idea that it is not God's will to heal.
If faith becomes simply an act of the will, an inclination of the mind then it is easy to dismiss healing by faith because simply making the decision to go along with the doctrine doesn't necessarily produce physical healing.
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