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    If faith becomes simply an act of the will, an inclination of the mind then it is easy to dismiss healing by faith because simply making the decision to go along with the doctrine doesn't necessarily produce physical healing.
    I agree Colonel. It is what has been called "mental assent". However, it has to at least START with mental assent to the truth of God's Word. Prayer and meditation will allow the Word to take root and grow and then a person will be fully convinced that God heals. They will then stop saying the opposite of what God says.

    Anyway, I would rather mentally assent to the truth even if I am not fully convinced at the time until I can get my spirit into the place where it fully embraces the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I agree Colonel. It is what has been called "mental assent". However, it has to at least START with mental assent to the truth of God's Word. Prayer and meditation will allow the Word to take root and grow and then a person will be fully convinced that God heals. They will then stop saying the opposite of what God says.

    Anyway, I would rather mentally assent to the truth even if I am not fully convinced at the time until I can get my spirit into the place where it fully embraces the truth.
    2000 years ago the norm was very tangible evidence (at least to the one experiencing it) when taking up the faith, of the new birth and the Holy Spirit. Evidence that their faith did actually produce a result in the here and now, not just a future promise. So the difference wasn't huge. Today there are lots of religious people who have next to no experience of anything. Some do believe and there is a breath of life in there that they may or may not be aware of in the experiental sense. But spotting the relation between actual faith (rather than general mental assent) and a tangible result is difficult for those people.

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    just curious..

    have any of you dealt with debilitating chronic pain?

    My mom fell (at a Christian camp, Hume Lake) and broke her ankle.. very badly.. needing a pin in it. (this was 50ish years ago)
    It was painful from that time on. She said the only way she could deal with it was to make it her friend so it wasn't a constant fight. That was exhausting. I don't remember if she actually verbalized "please take the pain away" sort of thing, but I know she was a prayer warrior so it must have come up.

    I had something similar as a young woman. I made that pain my friend too.. when it came it didn't overcome me and cause me to shut down because of that.

    So, back to my original question... who among you has dealt with this kind of pain and how did it work for you?

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    I hesitate to post this because, because, because....

    Yes, I have chronic pain. I'm used to it.

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    Today I woke up with the sniffles threatening to become something more --- you know how a bad cold may wipe you out if we let it --- so I take this day as a day of disciple training: THINKING and SPEAKING the word of God. Wow, after having made up my mind to do so I already felt better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    2000 years ago the norm was very tangible evidence (at least to the one experiencing it) when taking up the faith, of the new birth and the Holy Spirit. Evidence that their faith did actually produce a result in the here and now, not just a future promise. So the difference wasn't huge. Today there are lots of religious people who have next to no experience of anything. Some do believe and there is a breath of life in there that they may or may not be aware of in the experiental sense. But spotting the relation between actual faith (rather than general mental assent) and a tangible result is difficult for those people.
    In those days the atmosphere was much more open to spiritual experiences than what we find in today's culture with its technological advances and its sceptcism of the supernatural. While a lot of superstition prevailed in early times, at least most people believed that that something existed outside of our natural world that effected our natural world. In today's culture many of our scientists and even some of our churches have lead us to believe that this natural world is all that there is. Even some Christians unknowingly focus more on this natural world and only think of the spiritual when contemplating death and Heaven. Therefore supernatural experiences that have an effect on our natural world are not easily embraced with full faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    just curious..

    have any of you dealt with debilitating chronic pain?

    My mom fell (at a Christian camp, Hume Lake) and broke her ankle.. very badly.. needing a pin in it. (this was 50ish years ago)
    It was painful from that time on. She said the only way she could deal with it was to make it her friend so it wasn't a constant fight. That was exhausting. I don't remember if she actually verbalized "please take the pain away" sort of thing, but I know she was a prayer warrior so it must have come up.

    I had something similar as a young woman. I made that pain my friend too.. when it came it didn't overcome me and cause me to shut down because of that.

    So, back to my original question... who among you has dealt with this kind of pain and how did it work for you?
    We all have a choice in how we will react to pain. However, nothing in God's Word ever encourages me to accept it as a friend.

    To answer your original question, yes, I know what it is like to have pain. Broke my ankle in 2004 just walking outside to check my car. My wife and my pastor prayed and the pain went away instantly. The doctor told me that I would need physical therapy. I never did the therapy. Began jogging after about two months of the ankle breaking. God is a healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    We all have a choice in how we will react to pain. However, nothing in God's Word ever encourages me to accept it as a friend.

    To answer your original question, yes, I know what it is like to have pain. Broke my ankle in 2004 just walking outside to check my car. My wife and my pastor prayed and the pain went away instantly. The doctor told me that I would need physical therapy. I never did the therapy. Began jogging after about two months of the ankle breaking. God is a healer.
    When I've had chronic pain, I immediately speak to it in the authority of Jesus and by His blood, and I command it to go! It's usually gone within minutes.

    It does amaze me though that my faith is stronger when that happens than when other non-painful ailments attack my body. Maybe you can speak on that Troy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    When I've had chronic pain, I immediately speak to it in the authority of Jesus and by His blood, and I command it to go! It's usually gone within minutes.

    It does amaze me though that my faith is stronger when that happens than when other non-painful ailments attack my body. Maybe you can speak on that Troy?
    Arelia, we know that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word but faith is also strengthened by the experience of seeing the promises of God's Word manifested in our lives. In the Scriptures we see how God often told the Israelites to remember what was done in Egypt, at the red sea, the provision in the wilderness, etc. It was all meant to remind them of past acts of God so that they can trust Him. When the disciples of Jesus were concerned about not being able to feed the 4000 Jesus remarked about forgetting the earlier event of feeding the 5000. Hebrews 11 is also a rehearsal of the accomplishments of faith. It is meant to strengthen our faith concerning past acts of God.

    Your faith is stronger because of the Word and experience. You have seen God do it and you have a hard time doubting that He will do it again. Same here.
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