Thread: The Sabbath

Originally Posted by Colonel

All ten are and every other commandment as well, according to Romans 13. If one loves the Lord then one wants to serve him and the right way of serving him is to wear his yoke, enter into his rest and thereby fulfill the deeper intent of the Sabbath and the seventh day of creation, a general rest from own works.

I guess COVERED was a wrong word. REPLACED BY is maybe a better expression.

Originally Posted by peace

I guess COVERED was a wrong word. REPLACED BY is maybe a better expression.

Fulfilled by ? There is some kind of an exchange going on there. Meaning that love fulfills the commandments but the deeper intent (not the letter) of the commandments define love, to some extent. That includes the deeper intent of all the commandments, not just the ten.

I'll say this as clearly as I can. There is no salvation by keeping the commandments and teachings of Moses. There never has been. Salvation has only ever been given to those who have faith in God. God Himself provided the eternal gift of grace by giving Himself, in the form of our beloved Messiah, Jesus, as a sacrifice. The revelation of that gift came when Jesus lived and died in the first century but the reality of that gift is not contained by our time-line. It is eternal by nature. The missing piece of theology in much of the Christian world is the eternal nature of God's sacrifice. That "New Covenant" that Christians are so proud of? It is the revelation of Jesus and His sacrifice.
Why is it that so many Christians want to make God into a liar and covenant breaker? That absolutely does not make sense to me.
God is faithful.
He does not change.
He does not make errors or mistakes.
He does not fail.
He does not break covenants.
He does not trick or deceive an entire people group into making a religion that He hates.


God loves us and wants the best things for us in life. He especially wants to give us the greatest gift possible, fellowship with Him. He wants us to know Him to the greatest degree it is possible for humans to know Him.

So do you meticulously keep all the commandments in the law according to the letter or only the ten ? Which ones do you not keep ?

Originally Posted by Tehilah Ba'Aretz

I'll say this as clearly as I can. There is no salvation by keeping the commandments and teachings of Moses. There never has been. Salvation has only ever been given to those who have faith in God. God Himself provided the eternal gift of grace by giving Himself, in the form of our beloved Messiah, Jesus, as a sacrifice. The revelation of that gift came when Jesus lived and died in the first century but the reality of that gift is not contained by our time-line. It is eternal by nature. The missing piece of theology in much of the Christian world is the eternal nature of God's sacrifice. That "New Covenant" that Christians are so proud of? It is the revelation of Jesus and His sacrifice.
Why is it that so many Christians want to make God into a liar and covenant breaker? That absolutely does not make sense to me.
God is faithful.
He does not change.
He does not make errors or mistakes.
He does not fail.
He does not break covenants.
He does not trick or deceive an entire people group into making a religion that He hates.


God loves us and wants the best things for us in life. He especially wants to give us the greatest gift possible, fellowship with Him. He wants us to know Him to the greatest degree it is possible for humans to know Him.

I agree with you, but we're now at a place where the covenant is still there, but it's a heart covenant now. "25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” (Luke 10)


When we love others we will keep the commandments...when we love God we will keep His Sabbath. BUT that doesn't mean that it has to be regimented by the "law" of when to Sabbath. We spend time with God because we love Him not because he dictates that we MUST love him.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Noone has rejected a commandment. The letter of that commandment has however found a very specific fulfillment in Christ.

As did they all...they ALL became a heart issue...does not change the command...adultery is adultery, slander is slander...both were to be eliminated IN CHRIST as we are transformed in he heart which simply means we now don't commit adultery in the heart r outward...seems to me the same should hold true for the Sabbath...not what we do or don't do but why we do or don't do...so when He said Keep the Sabbath they knew and we know He spoke of the 7th day...

I am not hard on this but don't believe the Sabbath day changed...and worship response to it must be as with any other sin..understood to originate within, not without.

Originally Posted by peace

Because those nine commandments are being covered by the law of love (the ONE commandment that Jesus gave us) don't you think?

Why not all 10?

Originally Posted by Quest

As did they all...they ALL became a heart issue...does not change the command...adultery is adultery, slander is slander...both were to be eliminated IN CHRIST as we are transformed in he heart which simply means we now don't commit adultery in the heart r outward...seems to me the same should hold true for the Sabbath...not what we do or don't do but why we do or don't do...so when He said Keep the Sabbath they knew and we know He spoke of the 7th day...

I am not hard on this but don't believe the Sabbath day changed...and worship response to it must be as with any other sin..understood to originate within, not without.

Read Heb 3-4 some time.

Originally Posted by peace

I guess COVERED was a wrong word. REPLACED BY is maybe a better expression.

I don't think replaced is accurate either...fulfilled..which means Jesus KEPT the law perfectly. For instance He never committed adultery for His HEART was sinless and pure. The law of love says if I love you I won't slander you, If I love you I won't lie to you...ect...

Now by fulfilling the law as a man filled with Holy Spirit He revealed we can do likewise through transformation...

So again, how does this truth toss out the one on Sabbath?

Indeed!

Originally Posted by Colonel

Read Heb 3-4 some time.