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    The wording is similar to here :

    Heb 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves

    If it had been about traditions and not about aspects of the law then it wouldn't have specifically mentioned the sabbath. Doesn't mean that one cannot observe the Sabbath for personal reasons but that has little to do with the new covenant.

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    The Sabbath precedes all other teachings and rules in the Bible. It is not part of the revelation we refer to as, "The new covenant." It is a gift, not a rule or a tradition. It is, however, included in the, "Ten Commandments." It is no less valid than the commandment not to commit murder or not to steal. Of course, obeying or disobeying any of God's commandments does not invalidate salvation by grace through faith. All sinners are invited to join the family of believers and receive God's gifts.

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    The human being was supposed to enter into God's rest on the seventh day of creation but this rest was supposed to last for eternity, not just for one day.

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    It is interesting that we promote 9 of the 10 commandments and reject that one though..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    It is interesting that we promote 9 of the 10 commandments and reject that one though..
    Noone has rejected a commandment. The letter of that commandment has however found a very specific fulfillment in Christ.

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    I didn't exceed the speed limit yesterday. Does that mean that I can drive much faster today? Fulfilling a law does not remove or invalidate the law. Just because Jesus was perfect does not mean that all of His disciples were perfect after the resurrection. And if you claim that you are perfect because of the finished work of Jesus on the cross, you are claiming His mercy and grace but you need His mercy and grace because you are not perfect. I have to add that the argument that mankind is not under law is about as dumb as anything I have ever heard. You are not allowed to commit murder, steal, commit adultery or any of the thousands of laws enacted by government. It is true that your salvation is not based on your observance or compliance with the law but God has not revoked any of His commandments. That is why you need salvation by grace through faith after all. But go ahead, sin so that grace may abound...God forbid!

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    You seem to be placing a lot of words in my mouth there and I dont feel a need to defend myself against any of it. You know as well as I do that the new covenant specifically abolishes laws from the law of Moses. For instance :

    Acts 10:9*The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour.*10*Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance*11*and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth.*12*In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.*13*And a voice came to him,"Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
    14*But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean."
    15*And a voice*spoke*to him again the second time,*"What God has cleansed you must not call common."*16*This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

    Acts 15:5*But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command*them*to keep the law of Moses.
    6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.*7*And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up*and*said to them: "Men*and*brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.*8*So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as*He did*to us,*9*and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.*10*Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?*11*But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ[a]*we shall be saved in the same manner as they."

    Gal 2:11*Now when Peter[a]*had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;*12*for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.*13*And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
    14*But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before*them*all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you[b]*compel Gentiles to live as Jews?[c]*15*We*who are*Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,*16*knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    It is interesting that we promote 9 of the 10 commandments and reject that one though..
    Because those nine commandments are being covered by the law of love (the ONE commandment that Jesus gave us) don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehilah Ba'Aretz View Post
    I didn't exceed the speed limit yesterday. Does that mean that I can drive much faster today? Fulfilling a law does not remove or invalidate the law. Just because Jesus was perfect does not mean that all of His disciples were perfect after the resurrection. And if you claim that you are perfect because of the finished work of Jesus on the cross, you are claiming His mercy and grace but you need His mercy and grace because you are not perfect. I have to add that the argument that mankind is not under law is about as dumb as anything I have ever heard. You are not allowed to commit murder, steal, commit adultery or any of the thousands of laws enacted by government. It is true that your salvation is not based on your observance or compliance with the law but God has not revoked any of His commandments. That is why you need salvation by grace through faith after all. But go ahead, sin so that grace may abound...God forbid!
    It would be interesting to hear what you mean by "keeping the Sabbath" and how you practice it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peace View Post
    Because those nine commandments are being covered by the law of love (the ONE commandment that Jesus gave us) don't you think?
    All ten are and every other commandment as well, according to Romans 13. If one loves the Lord then one wants to serve him and the right way of serving him is to wear his yoke, enter into his rest and thereby fulfill the deeper intent of the Sabbath and the seventh day of creation, a general rest from own works.

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