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    I have no problem with the notion that it doesn't have to or that it cannot not choose Christ. The main thing is that it needs to receive the Holy Spirit and thereby the nature of Christ.
    Colonel, This is catholic doctrine. They also add that a child must be baptized catholic to be Holy. There is no new birth for an innocent child after death. When death comes they enter into their glorified body period. No need to accept Jesus Savior because they died in a state of innocence. No sin equals no need to be born again after death.That goes for Muslim children also who die before they reach the state/age of accountability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    Colonel, This is catholic doctrine. They also add that a child must be baptized catholic to be Holy. There is no new birth for an innocent child after death. When death comes they enter into their glorified body period. No need to accept Jesus Savior because they died in a state of innocence. No sin equals no need to be born again after death.That goes for Muslim children also who die before they reach the state/age of accountability.
    You're saying that we all have the Holy Spirit from conception and then he departs when we sin ?

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    You're saying that we all have the Holy Spirit from conception and then he departs when we sin ?
    After death Colonel ! The new birth of the sinful human spirit is not necessary after death for the innocents. Aborted children for example. Any interaction with the Holy Spirit is because they are introduced to Him there after death.We are born innocent and guiltless and yet have a nature which leads to destruction when it matures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    Colonel, This is catholic doctrine. They also add that a child must be baptized catholic to be Holy. There is no new birth for an innocent child after death. When death comes they enter into their glorified body period. No need to accept Jesus Savior because they died in a state of innocence. No sin equals no need to be born again after death.That goes for Muslim children also who die before they reach the state/age of accountability.
    LH, could you kinda outline or elaborate on what you're saying here and in the thread. Not sure what position you're stating. I actually can't tell what Colonel is actually saying either. lol.

    What exactly both of you are arguing that is.

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    LH, could you kinda outline or elaborate on what you're saying here and in the thread. Not sure what position you're stating. I actually can't tell what Colonel is actually saying either. lol.

    What exactly both of you are arguing that is.
    Colonel is saying a child who dies must be born again when he gets to Heaven. That's after death ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    After death Colonel ! The new birth of the sinful human spirit is not necessary after death for the innocents. Aborted children for example. Any interaction with the Holy Spirit is because they are introduced to Him there after death.We are born innocent and guiltless and yet have a nature which leads to destruction when it matures.
    Receiving the Holy Spirit makes the human being one spirit with the Holy Spirit. When an innocent child believes in Jesus then he is born again of the Spirit and receives the nature of Jesus, like anyone else. We dont have the nature of Christ from conception.

    I dont think you can find a verse that says that some believers are never born again - that they just believed as children and received the Spirit. Jesus made no exceptions to the rule of needing the new birth.

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    I think there are some things that are 'outside the rules' so to speak, although that's not a good way to put it. Such as innocent babies dying. They are in a state of innocence with their spirits already alive to God. There's no need to be 'born again' because they never died in their sins. They have that 'life' in them already. The spirit of things rather than the letter of things. Sometimes I think we get too hung up on making our opinions fit the letter of the 'law' instead of the spirit of it. I think babies that die is one of those categories.

    Although really it's not 'outside the rules'. Just in our thinking it is. Their spirits are already alive unto God. That's all being 'born again' does is put the life of Christ in our spirits, gives us a spirit that's 'alive'. Babies already have that.

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    Everything must be subjected to Christ so that he is all in all. Everyone has to receive the Spirit. You may call that something different than being "born again" if you like and it is not really a matter of going from death to life in this case. At least not from death.

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