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    It seems likely that the scapegoat was sent outside the camp and into the wilderness as a matter of placing it under a curse on account of the sins it was carrying, just like Jesus was put to death outside the city in a cursed place, due to coming under the curse because he carried our sins. This reminds me of when people are given over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh in the NT, perhaps the same could be said about the scapegoat. But it being sent or even given over to Azazel makes no sense. So it is more likely that someone later created a mythical evil entity out of that ritual, just like they did with the bronze serpent on the pole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Is it perhaps because we now live in a day of Christianity-lite?
    I dont think all those translations are meant to be less than literal, so it is quite peculiar.

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    Why would you use the book of Enoch to clarify any point of scripture?

    No sacrifice is made to Azazel.. that goat carries the sins of the people to the wilderness, to an uninhabited place. The only reason that animal is pushed off the cliff and dies is to keep it and the sins from returning to the people.. it spoils God's teaching if the sins don't go away.

    There is no sacrifice to Azazel, no honor or worthiness expressed.

    And from what I've read, most commentators, Jews and otherwise are unsure what Azazel means, calling it unclear and obscure.

    Extra biblical literature may be interesting, may give us some cultural insight, sometimes some history.. but it might be fiction.. read it like a novel.. it may have a little truth in it and still be a work of fiction.

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    It seems likely that the scapegoat was sent outside the camp and into the wilderness as a matter of placing it under a curse on account of the sins it was carrying, just like Jesus was put to death outside the city in a cursed place, due to coming under the curse because he carried our sins.
    agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrie View Post
    Why would you use the book of Enoch to clarify any point of scripture ?
    I don't.

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    Extra biblical sources don't carry any weight with me.

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    Started a new thread on the Book of Enoch so as not to derail the original topic here:

    http://livingfaithforum.com/forum/sh...-Book-of-Enoch

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    It's my understanding that The priest placed his hands on the living goat and confessed the sins of the people on it placing the BLAME for their sins on it....then sent it into the wilderness..

    This was done as a demonstration that Christ not only paid for sins of man, He literally took them into the wilderness..

    I imagine it's an interesting study on the name but have no reason to believe it has anything to do with a fallen angel..

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    Webster's defines a "scapegoat" as one that bears the blame for others. But the Hebrew word `aza'zel (az-aw-zale') doesn't mean that. It actually means goat of departure. In other words: the goat that gets away.

    Lev 16:10 designates the goat of departure for an atonement. Funny thing is; it is the only animal sacrifice I know of that undergoes no harm. Normally atonements for sin are slaughtered and their bodies incinerated on the Altar.

    By leaving the goat alive, the people's sins go unpunished; which means they're still on the books, hanging over the people's heads like a sword of Damocles. Point being: the so-called Day Of Atonement is actually a day of reprieve; which Webster's defines as: to delay punishment.

    Some people feel that turning a goat loose in the great outdoors to fend for itself is a death sentence. No so. I grew up with goats. They are very hardy and can easily survive outdoors on their own.

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    Interesting Weber..

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