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Thread: Is God the Creator of Good and Evil? (Part One)

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    You know what? Scratch those last posts.

    I don't want to argue, and we are not likely to change each others minds.

    Shalom!

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    These are for me, as something of a public reminder, to myself...

    James 3:17-18
    (17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
    (18) And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

    2 Timothy 2:24-25
    (24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
    (25) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    I'll write it again GIMJ, "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being"

    This scripture says "all things" ... and "nothing" the opposite to ...

    You say but based on the above scripture how is something "not of God" possible?
    He also authored free will which implies that the acts of his creatures aren't necessarily of God. In the absence of free will, everything would simply be an extension of God, the holocaust and all.

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    I form the light, and create darkness:
    I make peace, and create evil:
    I the LORD do all these things, (Isaiah 45:7 KJV).

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    Are you a Calvinist, Nikos ? If not, then what is your point since you quote that verse without its context ?

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    It must be a part of any discussion regards the topic.

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    The context is blessings and judgment over Israel, not general good and evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    You know what? Scratch those last posts.

    I don't want to argue, and we are not likely to change each others minds.

    Shalom!

    ***

    These are for me, as something of a public reminder, to myself...

    James 3:17-18
    (17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
    (18) And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

    2 Timothy 2:24-25
    (24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
    (25) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
    I had to learn this same lesson as well. Most Calvinists do not want to learn. They simply want to argue. There precious theology is all that they have and they have the need to propagate it. It is a frustrating waste of time to engage in debate with them.

    I could never LOVINGLY worship God as He is portrayed by this system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    It must be a part of any discussion regards the topic.
    The passage was dealt with in the blogs. Did you read it or are you just being a __________________________ (fill in the blank).
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    Here is part two:

    January 7

    Is God the Creator of Good and Evil? (Part Two)


    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isa. 45:7)

    Yesterday we learned that some theologians believe that Isaiah 45:7 teaches us that God is the creator of "natural evil" (as judgment). While it is a step away from making God the author of moral evil, further examination of this passage vindicates God from authoring any evil.
    God is the source of only good (Psa. 85:12; 86:5; 106:1; 107:1; 118:1, 29; 135:3; 136:1). He is not the source of evil or its results. Evil produces evil (Matt. 7:15-20). The fruit of evil is death and destruction (Ps. 7:14-16; 34:15-21; Prov. 1:31; 22:8; Gal. 6:7-8; Hosea 8:7; 10:13; Jer. 12:13). God is not the giver of evil fruit, but Satan is (John 8:44; 10:10).

    In the context of Isa. 45:7, the Lord was at war with Babylon and He was letting them know that as a part of His judgment upon them He would allow calamity or trouble to come their way. The calamities are the result of judgment upon nations like Babylon that oppose God (Isa. 45:24) and who will reap what they have sown (Ps. 7:14-16; Gal. 6:5-6).

    So why does God say that He is the creator of darkness and evil in Isa. 45:7? This is resolved as we learn the language of the Bible. To understand the problem of evil we must understand the Hebrew language and its "permissive idioms". The language in Isa. 45:7 must be viewed as "permissive" rather than "causative". Dr. Walter C. Kaiser writes:

    "Even though much of the physical evil often comes through the hands of wicked men and women, ultimately God permits it. Thus, the Hebrew way of speaking, which ignores secondary causation in a way Western thought would never do, whatever God permits may be directly attributed to him, often without noting that secondary and sinful parties were the immediate causes of the disaster.... It is God who must allow (and that is the proper term) these calamities to come.1

    Evil is the result of people removing themselves from God's protection, thus receiving the consequences of their choices in a morally ordered universe. God's responsibility as far as evil is concerned is only to the extent that He created laws of sowing and reaping.

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    1. Kaiser Jr., Walter C. Hard Sayings of the Bible (Downers Grove, IL: Intervarsity Press, 1996), p. 306
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    January 8

    Is God the Creator of Good and Evil? (Part Three)


    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isa. 45:7)

    Yesterday we learned that Isa. 45:7 must be understood from a "permissive" rather than a "causative" sense. Some passages make this point clear. Deuteronomy 28:15-28, for example, uses the typical punitive language for disobedience and it ascribes to God the tragedies that would fall upon Israel such as "I will destroy thee.... I will smite thee....I will send enemies.... I will send pestilence... etc."

    However, these are simply Hebrew idioms which ascribe to God as doing the thing which He only permitted. Interpreting Scripture with Scripture, we see that God is not the author of the disasters (evils) that came upon Babylon. He permits these disasters due to their sin.

    "And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them. Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us? And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods." (Deut. 31:16-18).

    The word "evils" in the passage above is the Hebrew word "ra"; the same word used in Isa. 45:7. Interpreting Scripture with Scripture we see that evil comes when the Lord is absent. This is the proper understanding of the phrase "I create evil".

    Examining Isa. 45:7 in light of the above, we see that God is light (1 John 1:9; James 1:17) and creates darkness when He withdraws and darkness prevails. God offers men His light in spite of their rebellion (Isa. 50:10; John 8:12; 12:46; 1 Pet. 2:9) but men reject it because they hate it (John 1:5-11; 3:19-20). Therefore, Isa. 45:7 is permissive in that God is allowing men the consequences of their choices. God is not the author of physical or moral evil. Evil comes when the source of good that protects from evil is forsaken. This is permission and not causation.
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