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    the true WOF doctrine....

    since we are on the airplane kick let's talk about the original WOF doctrine as it was espoused in its early years. the original doctrine was formulated by e.w. canyon and handed off to kenneth hagin and oral roberts. i was there at oru in the 70's when the WOF doctrine was presented in its original form. kenneth copeland who was a disciple of hagin and roberts started tweeking it to fit his doctrinal formula of the propserity doctrine. oral moved this doctrine into the seed faith doctrine. having sat under orals teaching for 4 years i can verify this as he spoke often of seed faith giving n chapel. Luke 6:38 was a anchor 4 this doctrine.

    "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."

    many times oral as well as the "WOF PACK" would distort this word and mold it into something it was not. copeland, savelle, price, bakker, avanzini, and others jumped on this band wagon morphing it into the idea that money given is more money returned. what began as a doctrine that i live by even 2day became a doctrine of demons. I remember fred price teaching this doctrine on a friday (which we call black friday even 2 this day. no pun intended) he was pushing the name it claim it theology which is a spin off of the prosperity doctrine. he asked if we understood and believed in what he was teaching and my greek teacher who was a greek orthodox priest with a phd in greek and hebrew stood up and yelled "NO I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU!" it was total mayhem after that and oral stood up and called us wolves n sheeps clothing. 1/3rd of the students left the next semester. my point is that this doctrine is very divisive, very destructive, and a demonic deception. many seem 2 defend these guys who espouse this stuff but i can tell u 1st hand i know of no one and i mean no one who has benefited from this demonic doctrine. i have seen the destruction of families, their finances, their faith, their hope, and much more because of this garbage.

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    what began as a doctrine that i live by even 2day
    What exactly does this doctrine say ?

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    WoF doctine didn't start with Kenyon per se, not the original basic doctrine. It was preached by Lake, Wigglesworth, Bosworth, etc. They were all basically contemporaries of Kenyon and we dont' know if they really knew who he was or not. Hagin made Kenyon popular. He probably wasn't well known during his time as much as he is today. But the doctrine they preached was basically 'kingdom' theology, that the kingdom of God has come and it above the devil's kingdom, or anybody else. That God has set the captives free from the effects of mankind's union with satan and it's His will for them to be saved, delivered, healed, etc.

    Now extreme prosperity doctrine has become associated with WOF. But it wasn't like that in the beginning. But it is God's will for us to prosper. But that has been taken to extremes and all kinds of weird iterations of it exist.

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    When did Kenyon write his books that Hagin quoted ? He lived from 1867-1948 so it could have been quite early.

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    WoF has almost died out here in this part of the country. Kenyon wasn't even a Pentecostal yet WoF took much of its teaching from him. I consider WoF an extreme faction of the healing revival.

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    Wheeze, the reason for your "Black Friday" was due to the fact that Price refused to endorse the Calvinism that was beginning to spread at ORU. One of your people there lost a wife and wanted Price to endorse the idea that it is God's will for people to die young. I was told this by a couple of people who were there at the time.

    Many of you ORU students obviously did not have good history teachers. Have you ever read the books of Andrew Murray and A. B. Simpson? Hagin did. Smith wiggles worth? Hagin did. Cornelius Nuzum? Hagin did. Hagin was theologically influenced by multiple sources. You folks who attack the WoF always want to make this false Kenyon connection via D. R. McConnell, a thesis that was proven false by some of his own contemporaries.

    Common Wheeze, if you want to deal with the WoF then get the facts straight or resist the urge to type anything about it.

    Now let's go get some hot chocolate and marshmallows and enjoy the snow together

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    WoF has almost died out here in this part of the country. Kenyon wasn't even a Pentecostal yet WoF took much of its teaching from him. I consider WoF an extreme faction of the healing revival.
    That means that God's Word has almost died out in your part of the country. Now all you have is Pentecostal TRADITION to live on.

    The healing revival was full a bunch of flaky preachers who taught crazy stuff, got drunk, and overweight. The WoF came in and began placing an emphasis on Bible teaching.

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    WoF is weighed down with love of money, jets, fancy pantsy homes, look-who-I-am-sitting-by itis, and an attitude of "lets get my third wife and go out and show the church that holiness is still in syle". Wheeze is right. We need to get past this Gospel of Me and get focused on the Almighty God!

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    WoF is weighed down with love of money, jets, fancy pantsy homes, look-who-I-am-sitting-by itis, and an attitude of "lets get my third wife and go out and show the church that holiness is still in syle". Wheeze is right. We need to get past this Gospel of Me and get focused on the Almighty God!
    Certainly there is a lot of that in the churches nowadays but you and Wheeze keep wanting to associate this with Kenyon and Hagin. You don't think there is materialism and flamboyance in Pentecostal churches? This finger-pointing pot-kettle stuff is common on forums and social media because some of you want to present your cultural Christianity as the ideal Christianity so you need a scapegoat to criticize.

    Personally I am WoF all the way and I do NOT believe in "jets" (except for ministry purposes. Could care less if others criticize that), nor do I care about big mansions, or love of money. However, it takes money to preach the gospel and lots of it so I continue to trust God for plenty. It is easy to point at the flaws and build strawmen and then flaunt your tradition as the ideal that others should follow.

    The Word of Faith, when I came into it in 1985, was a Word-Based movement. I stay with the Word and focus on it. Before coming into WoF I was among Pentecostals who screamed, hooped, hollered, and sweated the heck out of their nice suits and then they later tried to destroy another minister among them, dogging him out right in front of me, a baby Christian. That may not be all Pentecostalism (I know that it isn't because my closest pastor friends are Pentecostals) but that is what I saw in the beginnings of my Christianity. When I went into the WoF love was emphasized, gossip was forbidden, and the Bible was TAUGHT, chapter and verse. That is why I stayed with it.

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    I read something about motes and beams somewhere...
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
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