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    We also have this, a freely given gift. Of course it is all free, He paid the price. Why hinder things freely given with doubt or works.

    1 Corinthians 12:7-11 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually has he wills.

    Miracles are for today and I believe they happen quite often. I remember some years back praying for you Bookman, you had lost your livelihood and were in need of an intervention from the Lord, a supernatural change in circumstance. Did He deliver? Is not what happened a miracle? I seem to remember you saying it was. Were you delivered due to your sanctification?

    He is the same yesterday, today and forever!

    Freely you have received, it's time to freely give. Declare some miracles, work your faith! Declare His goodness in the land of the living, His goodness is not impaired by our level of goodness, He is love.

    Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    We also have this, a freely given gift. Of course it is all free, He paid the price. Why hinder things freely given with doubt or works.

    1 Corinthians 12:7-11 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually has he wills.

    Miracles are for today and I believe they happen quite often. I remember some years back praying for you Bookman, you had lost your livelihood and were in need of an intervention from the Lord, a supernatural change in circumstance. Did He deliver? Is not what happened a miracle? I seem to remember you saying it was. Were you delivered due to your sanctification?

    He is the same yesterday, today and forever!

    Freely you have received, it's time to freely give. Declare some miracles, work your faith! Declare His goodness in the land of the living, His goodness is not impaired by our level of goodness, He is love.

    Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
    In regards to your 1 Corinthians passage, I wrote this to Bookman when he has using Paul's letter to the Corinthians to back up his comments on holiness which I agree with. But I also noted this:

    It's interesting you brought up the Corinthian church to support what you're saying about holiness (and I agree) but in light of miracles you just proved my point. Corinthians was the most carnal church he dealt with. Yet at the same time they proliferated in the gifts. The most immature church as he called them proliferating in the gifts. So the church that was so carnal he had to address it, also operated more in the gifts more than any other church and he had to address them about order concerning it. Go figure.

    Like you said they're gifts. Because they are, regardless of the state of the church there the Holy Spirit still used them. Should we walk in godliness and holiness? Absolutely. But it really has little to do with the title of this thread.

    And also referring to what you said, they happen more often than we thing because we don't hear what goes on in the whole body. My friend sees healings all the time going out to the streets and Walmart. But you don't know about it because you don't know him. But he sees more than most on a personal level due to his boldness. Most don't operate in that kind of boldness toward the sick outside the church.

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    And also referring to what you said, they happen more often than we thing because we don't hear what goes on in the whole body. My friend sees healings all the time going out to the streets and Walmart. But you don't know about it because you don't know him. But he sees more than most on a personal level due to his boldness. Most don't operate in that kind of boldness toward the sick outside the church.
    Yes. I used to do walmart, supermarket, fast food, parking lots, etc. and I guess you could say "things happen", it's not like church or meetings at all, it's all very dynamic, live action stuff. The thing is, I think most head to the house of God, their church to watch or wait for things to happen when they could be out there doing the work, it's very eye opening! Maybe everyone has been trained to be spectators, rely on the "man of God" to get things done.

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    I remember some years back praying for you Bookman, you had lost your livelihood and were in need of an intervention from the Lord, a supernatural change in circumstance. Did He deliver? Is not what happened a miracle? I seem to remember you saying it was.
    And I probably never thanked you for praying. YES! God did intervene and my circumstances did change for the better. I've had several years of blessing since then and looking forward to more....so THANK YOU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    In regards to your 1 Corinthians passage, I wrote this to Bookman when he has using Paul's letter to the Corinthians to back up his comments on holiness which I agree with. But I also noted this:

    It's interesting you brought up the Corinthian church to support what you're saying about holiness (and I agree) but in light of miracles you just proved my point. Corinthians was the most carnal church he dealt with. Yet at the same time they proliferated in the gifts. The most immature church as he called them proliferating in the gifts. So the church that was so carnal he had to address it, also operated more in the gifts more than any other church and he had to address them about order concerning it. Go figure.

    Like you said they're gifts. Because they are, regardless of the state of the church there the Holy Spirit still used them. Should we walk in godliness and holiness? Absolutely. But it really has little to do with the title of this thread.

    And also referring to what you said, they happen more often than we thing because we don't hear what goes on in the whole body. My friend sees healings all the time going out to the streets and Walmart. But you don't know about it because you don't know him. But he sees more than most on a personal level due to his boldness. Most don't operate in that kind of boldness toward the sick outside the church.
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    The Gifts did operate freely in the church at Corinth, though we may not know if the most carnal were the ones using/releasing the Gifts. Even if they were, we do have a sure promise of God's Word that the Gifts AND callings of God are irrevocable. To this effect we have seen powerful anointings remain on ministers even while in their greatest sin and backslidden condition. The Holy Spirit and the Gifts are with the design intent that they indwell and work in clay vessels...clay, cracked, in need of repair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    And I probably never thanked you for praying. YES! God did intervene and my circumstances did change for the better. I've had several years of blessing since then and looking forward to more....so THANK YOU!
    God is good brother!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    ***off topic warning***

    The Gifts did operate freely in the church at Corinth, though we may not know if the most carnal were the ones using/releasing the Gifts. Even if they were, we do have a sure promise of God's Word that the Gifts AND callings of God are irrevocable. To this effect we have seen powerful anointings remain on ministers even while in their greatest sin and backslidden condition. The Holy Spirit and the Gifts are with the design intent that they indwell and work in clay vessels...clay, cracked, in need of repair.
    Exactly the point I've been making. Not making a point that we shouldn't be holy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Yes. I used to do walmart, supermarket, fast food, parking lots, etc. and I guess you could say "things happen", it's not like church or meetings at all, it's all very dynamic, live action stuff. The thing is, I think most head to the house of God, their church to watch or wait for things to happen when they could be out there doing the work, it's very eye opening! Maybe everyone has been trained to be spectators, rely on the "man of God" to get things done.
    The point I'm making. And if you wait until you think you're holy enough you'll never do it. That kind of thinking is a trap that neutralizes believers from going out and doing the work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I can't agree with that. My example of the old timers during the healing movement. A person could be very flawed and still have great faith. Peter himself said it was not related to holiness at all.

    Anybody in this thread don't think they're particularly holy or sanctified? Then what's the problem? :)
    I heard brother Hagin teach on this several times. He shared many of his experiences on ministering healing to believers who been saved a long time, baby or carnal Christians, and unbelievers. He related it was easier to get carnal believers healed than long time Christians. One of several reasons is because they were quick to forgive and/or repent.
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    Why miracles don't happen ? Simple
    Answer Desperation .

    In developing countries Jesus is the first port of call when challenges arise - result- plenty of miracles

    In developed countries - doctor , credit card , Givernment etc etc are often the first of port of call — results few miracles

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