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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    Not even close bro. Communion is taught by Jesus to the disciples and then passed on to the churches through the epistles. On the other hand, tithing is only mentioned in Hebrews, and not in a passage teaching tithing, but the superiority of Christ over every earthly ministry. Also, in the account shown in Hebrews it was a one time tithe of the spoils of war. Studying what NT scripture teaches to the NT church is for mature Christians. All others are content with following the traditions of men.........
    Yeah and the Rapture is only mentioned one time in Thessalonians and nobody is ever instructed to fast in the Epistles. Even water Baptism Isn't instructed in the epistles ... Guess we should throw all those out too huh ? ..

    Sorry the Tithe is the other side of the communion ,. The communion proclaims his death While the Tithe proclaims that he lives. Its an acknowledgement of his ETERNAL PRIESTHOOD (After the order/Manner of Melchizedek (No Mother/Father)) That's why you see elements of both Tithe and Communion in Abraham's Transaction with Melchizedek

    But again hey if you are content as a Non Tither ...... . It's all good

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    And NO... proportional Giving does NOT in and of itself constitute Tithing anymore than taking a daily dip in the swim pool constitutes Baptism. In the same Vein your last dash to MacDonald's does not in and of itself constitute Communion either.

    As I noted, these are sacred things .. For the Mature



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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Studying what NT scripture teaches to the NT church is for mature Christians.

    BINGO.

    And the scripture in Hebrews 7 people like to use where they say it says here we pay tithes to Jesus, is actually referring back to Melchizedek. Not Jesus in heaven.

    8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

    8 Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; while there [in the case of Melchizedek], they are received by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually]. (AMP)

    And if anyone wants to bring up what Jesus said to the pharisees in the gospels, that was still under the old covenant and correct for that time.
    So I guess we are Just going to ignore the present continuous tense used in the verse above ..

    Per the claim that the one who lives forever is Melchizedek and Not Jesus one can only laugh

    One needs read no further than the very same Hebrews 7
    23 The [former successive line of] priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were each prevented by death from continuing [perpetually in office]; 24 but, on the other hand, Jesus holds His priesthood permanently and without change, because He lives on forever. 25 Therefore He is able also to save forever (completely, perfectly, for eternity) those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede and intervene on their behalf [with God].

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Yeah and the Rapture is only mentioned one time in Thessalonians and nobody is ever instructed to fast in the Epistles. Even water Baptism Isn't instructed in the epistles ... Guess we should throw all those out too huh ? ..
    But fasting and water baptism IS practiced as a precedent in the book of Acts which IS the NT (and both also mentioned in the epistles). Nowhere is tithing shown as a practice in the NT, or taught. Did you even watch the video? Nobody said you couldn't tithe. It's just not mandatory in the NT. Nor is there a special blessing associated with it. We don't need God to open the windows of heaven for us. Jesus did that and we live under an open heaven as believers. And we have authority over the devil as believers. God doesn't need to rebuke the devourer for us any longer. We have that authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    But fasting and water baptism IS practiced as a precedent in the book of Acts which IS the NT (and both also mentioned in the epistles). It was Ezekiel who effectively demanded that it be taught in the Epistles to be deemed relevant not me .. I am simply pointing out that fasting and water bapism wouldnt meet his criteria either

    Nowhere is tithing shown as a practice in the NT, or taught.
    Wrong .. Hebrews 7 Uses the present continuous tense .. It was an NT Practice

    Did you even watch the video? YES

    Nobody said you couldn't tithe. It's just not mandatory in the NT. Never said it was mandatory simply said it was for the mature..

    Nor is there a special blessing associated with it. I beg to differ there are certain dimensions you just cannot walk in without having the revelation of the tither .. We can agree to disagree

    We don't need God to open the windows of heaven for us. Jesus did that and we live under an open heaven as believers. So why then are so many believers under bondage of all sorts ?

    And we have authority over the devil as believers. God doesn't need to rebuke the devourer for us any longer. We have that authority... I agree but we do press from glory to glory , from babes to adults , from dimension to dimension .. everything you have said is true but it needs to go from mere words on paper to actual reality and impact ..


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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Yeah and the Rapture is only mentioned one time in Thessalonians and nobody is ever instructed to fast in the Epistles. Even water Baptism Isn't instructed in the epistles ... Guess we should throw all those out too huh ? ..

    Sorry the Tithe is the other side of the communion ,. The communion proclaims his death While the Tithe proclaims that he lives. Its an acknowledgement of his ETERNAL PRIESTHOOD (After the order/Manner of Melchizedek (No Mother/Father)) That's why you see elements of both Tithe and Communion in Abraham's Transaction with Melchizedek

    But again hey if you are content as a Non Tither ...... . It's all good

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    And NO... proportional Giving does NOT in and of itself constitute Tithing anymore than taking a daily dip in the swim pool constitutes Baptism. In the same Vein your last dash to MacDonald's does not in and of itself constitute Communion either.

    As I noted, these are sacred things .. For the Mature


    While the doctrine of a pre-trib rapture isn't shown in scripture, the gathering together of the saints to be caught up with the Lord is.

    Jesus commanded; "WHEN you fast.......", not "IF" you fast.

    Water baptism is commanded by Jesus, and then clearly shown throughout the book of Acts and expounded on in Romans as well as other writings of Paul.

    Tithing was part of the Old Covenant, between God and Israel. You know, the covenant that ended when Jesus was crucified, buried and then resurrected. That is why the veil was torn.

    Tithing was a religious tax.

    Not sure where you even got the idea that tithing is in any way connected to communion. Paul gave instructions on communion, but never even so much as spoke a single word about tithing in any of his epistles. And he was a pharisee, a legal expert in the matters of Jewish religious law. The fact that he was silent on the subject speaks volumes towards this doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    While the doctrine of a pre-trib rapture isn't shown in scripture, the gathering together of the saints to be caught up with the Lord is.

    Jesus commanded; "WHEN you fast.......", not "IF" you fast. Tell that to Fuego .. According to him technically that would have been in the OT

    Water baptism is commanded by Jesus, and then clearly shown throughout the book of Acts and expounded on in Romans as well as other writings of Paul. Dont recall it being commanded by Jesus or mentioned by Paul .. I do recall it being commanded by Peter in the book of Acts ..

    However, The book of Acts is effectively a History book and Would be considered by many to be the Gospel of Luke Part 2 . Furthermore, Not everything they did in there was necessarily God ordained (Casting Lots to Replace Judas, forming Communes .. etc ) .. So by your own standard it needs to show up in the epistles to be considered pertinent to us today.

    In any case The only Baptism mentioned in Romans is Baptism into Christ not Water Baptism . Water Baptism is what I was referring to.


    Tithing was part of the Old Covenant, between God and Israel. You know, the covenant that ended when Jesus was crucified, buried and then resurrected. That is why the veil was torn.

    Tithing was a religious tax.

    Explain to me then why tithing was practiced before the OT Covenant with Israel. Abraham was tithing hundreds of years before the covenant was made .. Clearly Tithing is an ordinance that transcends the covenant ..No ? Afterall the bible says that by Faith we are Children of Abraham and Inherit his Promises .. shouldn't We believe like Abraham at least in some ways ?

    Not sure where you even got the idea that tithing is in any way connected to communion. Paul gave instructions on communion, but never even so much as spoke a single word about tithing in any of his epistles. And he was a pharisee, a legal expert in the matters of Jewish religious law. The fact that he was silent on the subject speaks volumes towards this doctrine.
    Its right there in Genesis . Melchizedek brought forth Bread and Wine and Abraham Brought the Tithe. Those scriptures are not there Juist to take up space. They are there to convey a message .

    In The epistles such as Corinthians (as well as the Gospels ) we read about communion and its connection to his sacrifice. In Hebrews we read about his Priesthood in connection with the Tithe .. The former proclaiming his death , the latter proclaiming that he NOW lives .. His death alone was not all there is to to the matter . His current ministry is also pertinent.

    Therein lies the connection


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    You don't recall baptism being commanded by Jesus? "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. Or how about "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [a]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." The gospel message has never changed since the birth of the church in Acts 2- "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized for the remission of sins......" And the overwhelming evidence of Philip preaching Jesus to the Ethiopian in Acts 8- "See, here is water, what hinders me from being baptized?"


    If Paul were around today, he would probably be talking to the NT churches about tithing the same way he did about circumcision to the Galatians.



    Genesis 17:9-14
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    9 And God said to Abraham: "As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. 10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; 11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."


    Genesis 28:20-22
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    20 Then Jacob made a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and keep me in this way that I am going, and give me bread to eat and clothing to put on, 21 so that I come back to my father's house in peace, then the Lord shall be my God. 22 And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be God's house, and of all that You give me I will surely give a [a]tenth to You."



    Abraham also only paid a tithe of the spoils of war one time to Melchizadek. Scripture does not show that he ever gave anything else to him, or even had another encounter with him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    You don't recall baptism being commanded by Jesus? "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. Or how about "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [a]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." The gospel message has never changed since the birth of the church in Acts 2- "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized for the remission of sins......" And the overwhelming evidence of Philip preaching Jesus to the Ethiopian in Acts 8- "See, here is water, what hinders me from being baptized?"


    If Paul were around today, he would probably be talking to the NT churches about tithing the same way he did about circumcision to the Galatians.



    Genesis 17:9-14
    New King James Version

    9 And God said to Abraham: "As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. 10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; 11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."


    Genesis 28:20-22
    New King James Version

    20 Then Jacob made a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and keep me in this way that I am going, and give me bread to eat and clothing to put on, 21 so that I come back to my father's house in peace, then the Lord shall be my God. 22 And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be God's house, and of all that You give me I will surely give a [a]tenth to You."



    Abraham also only paid a tithe of the spoils of war one time to Melchizadek. Scripture does not show that he ever gave anything else to him, or even had another encounter with him.

    Yeah I forgot about that momentarily..IE Jesus commanding baptism.. Nonetheless its not mentioned in the epistles

    As far as Abaraham Tithing only one time Goes .. well Why then does Jacob in the very verse you posted indicate that he would tithe CONTINUALLY as opposed to a one time thing. Could it be that he learned a thing or two from his Grandfather ?

    Jacobs vow to tithe CONTINUALLY was before the law wasn't it ?

    The bible isnt primarily a history book ,Its a book for "He that has ears" Accordingly we don't have details of every single thing bible characters did. We only have what the Holy Spirit felt we needed to know so saying Abraham only paid tithes once is a cop-out . Its like saying Paul only taught on communion once or that Paul's instructions on Communion only applied to the Corinthians since he taught it to no other church .

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    This I have found, there is nothing unscriptural to regularly tithe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    This I have found, there is nothing unscriptural to regularly tithe.
    And that's what the video says. The title is questioning or not whether it is a NT command. It is not.

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