Thread: Is Tithing a New Testament Command? Michael Brown

Originally Posted by BAP

I am not the one who said tithing was for the mature . The hebrews writer said as such and as far as disobedience goes you clearly didn't read or understand what I actually wrote

Yes you did, because the writer of Hebrews didn't say that. There is NO context of tithing in that passage, or anywhere else in the epistles to the NT church for that matter. Even where Hebrews mentions tithing it's not teaching the NT to tithe. This 'maturity' stuff about tithing is basically something you pulled out of the air like most people that try to say the NT teaches tithing. Just like you say you're being disobedient if you don't tithe. How can you be disobedient to something that's not commanded to the church? Mature, disobedient, etc, etc, just pulled out of thin air. None of is supported in the writings to the NT church. As a matter of fact the only systematic giving taught at all is in reference to a special offering Paul was taking up for the Jewish saints. The only teaching that pertains to us in the NT is give generously and be cheerful about it and don't let anybody make you give under compulsion, which is basically how most pastors do with the tithe.

If a person wants to use 10% as a guide, more power to them. If they don't that's fine too. But there is nothing special or any special blessing associate with how much you give in the NT.

Originally Posted by fuego

Yes you did, because the writer of Hebrews didn't say that. There is NO context of tithing in that passage, or anywhere else in the epistles to the NT church for that matter. Even where Hebrews mentions tithing it's not teaching the NT to tithe. This 'maturity' stuff about tithing is basically something you pulled out of the air like most people that try to say the NT teaches tithing. Just like you say you're being disobedient if you don't tithe. How can you be disobedient to something that's not commanded to the church? Mature, disobedient, etc, etc, just pulled out of thin air. None of is supported in the writings to the NT church. As a matter of fact the only systematic giving taught at all is in reference to a special offering Paul was taking up for the Jewish saints. The only teaching that pertains to us in the NT is give generously and be cheerful about it and don't let anybody make you give under compulsion, which is basically how most pastors do with the tithe.

I guess you told me huh ...

As I said before the letter kills and the spirit gives life .. for some people anything that's not a direct command is pulled out of thin air..

Apparently the concept of callings , gifting's , Milk To Meat , Childhood to Maturity is foreign to you .

In case you haven't noticed direct commands in the NT are ONLY giving to babes in Christ . .

What about the totality of Scripture ? For the Mature in Christ its the SKILLED HANDLING of the totality of the WORD That matters

Paul said "WOE be unto me if I fail to preach the Gospel" .. how does that fit in with your Kumbaya Interpretation of scripture where nothing is ever REQUIRED of anyone ? Does it occur to you that failure to TITHE may be disobedience for SOME People ? Just like failure to preach the gospel would have been for Paul ?

You can rail against the tithe all you want as you always do But at least get one fact right .. Tithing is indeed for the mature(skilled) and that did not come from BAP

Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33

Failure to preach the gospel is woe to all disciples of Jesus. He commanded us to do so. If you don't, you will hear the words; "Depart from Me, you wicked and lazy servant!"

Maturity could also be the ability to read the scriptures in context and stick with what they actually teach to the NT church.

Zeke Zik ...
Not everyone was called to preach the Gospel like Paul was so No not every one is "WOED" for failing to preach like Paul ..

In fact Scripture teaches the opposite ...

James 3 1My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

So What were you saying again again about Maturity and Sticking to the Scriptures within Context ? ?

Originally Posted by BAP

As I said before the letter kills and the spirit gives life ..

That's the reason some have stopped tithing. Many ministers have used tithing verses to bash, judge and bring believers into bondage
But the Holy Spirit releases believers to give cheerfully not out of compulsion (tithes)
Tithing is for believers who are immature and struggle to accurately divide the scriptures (in this specific topic) but cheerful giving is for mature Spirit lead believers

He who the Son sets free is FREE indeed


Here is a question for Tithers - Do you believe if you stopped tithing:
God will no longer look after you financially
You will miss out on certain blessings
God will not hear some of your prayers
You may get sick or suffer a calamity

If you answer Yes to any of the above - You are in bondage
Many believers say they tithe out of obedience to God's will but underneath there is FEAR something bad will happen if they don't tithe

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

That's the reason some have stopped tithing. Many ministers have used tithing verses to bash, judge and bring believers into bondage
But the Holy Spirit releases believers to give cheerfully not out of compulsion (tithes)
Tithing is for believers who are immature and struggle to accurately divide the scriptures (in this specific topic) but cheerful giving is for mature Spirit lead believers

He who the Son sets free is FREE indeed


Here is a question for Tithers - Do you believe if you stopped tithing:
God will no longer look after you financially
You will miss out on certain blessings
God will not hear some of your prayers
You may get sick or suffer a calamity

If you answer Yes to any of the above - You are in bondage
Many believers say they tithe out of obedience to God's will but underneath there is FEAR something bad will happen if they don't tithe

You keep repeating the same question and looking for a different answer ..

Many ministers have used tithing verses to bash, judge and bring believers into bondage

And So ? What does that have to do with what Bap is saying ?

And some believers have become legalistically anti-tithe even claiming that Tithing belonged to Mosaic Law when we have shown r them over and again that Tithing preceded the law so the OT/NT arguments don't wash. But yet they will open thread after thread and post after post repeating the same thing ..

He who the Son sets free is FREE indeed

This reminds me of the old free to sin under grace argument that some believers make ... Sorry Dude It's freedom TO TITHE not freedom FROM tithe ...

Here is a question for Tithers - Do you believe if you stopped tithing:
God will no longer look after you financially
You will miss out on certain blessings
God will not hear some of your prayers
You may get sick or suffer a calamity

If you answer Yes to any of the above - You are in bondage

My 3 year old is free to pee in his pants my 7 year old however would get a whupping if he does ... You are looking for general one size fits all answers to nuanced questions ...

And no we are not in any more bondage than Paul was when he referred to himself as a bondsman.

If my prayers can be hindered for failing to take care of my Household (yes thats in scripture) why cant they be hindered if I failed to take OPTIMAL care of God's household as God has blessed me and empowered me to to do ?

And please spare me all the goobly gook/Yaddi Yada about mature cheerful givers .. Most Non tithers are hardly cheerful givers themselves .

In America believers give on average 2.5 percent of their income and that is a mean figure (Not a median figure) and it is skewed heavily towards the tithers.. In truth the average "Proportional Cheerful Giver" gives less than 1% while leaving the tithers do the heavy lifting

Originally Posted by BAP

. Most Non tithers are hardly cheerful givers themselves .

What survey and statistics verify that Most non-tithers are hardly cheerful givers - sounds judgemental
Are all tithers cheerful? - many tithe out of duty and fear and we know that because people have admitted it.


In truth the average "Proportional Cheerful Giver" gives less than 1% while leaving the tithers do the heavy lifting

Are you upset because you are doing the heavy lifting???
Why not rejoice at heavy lifting and thank God that you will reap what you sow. Look at the positive at being a mature believer

2 Cor 9:7 - .... for God loves a cheerful giver - Real New Testament verse inspired by God. Greek word for giver......... is giver .....not tither

God loves a tither - Not found in NT but preached like it's there

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

2 Cor 9:7 - .... for God loves a cheerful giver - Real New Testament verse inspired by God. Greek word for giver......... is giver .....not tither

God loves a tither - Not found in NT but preached like it's there

Everything to you sounds judgmental ... you are really beginning to sound like the hyper-grace crowd .wanting to be babied and cuddled all the time

No I am not mad in the least , actually enjoying myself really .

Paricularly intrigued by you though . Claiming to be indifferent as to whether or not people choose to tithe on one hand but increasingly revealing an anti-tithe bias with each post .