Thread: GIANTS?

Zeke..I will read it but can't promise when..probably some time in January.

Not even a question. Of course Watcher angels "mated" with women. If that means they procured DNA withOUT intercourse, then so be it. But the scripture is crystal clear. That is why the phrase, "As it was in the days of Noah", is specifically talking about "altered" people with "altered" DNA. Even before I had a much fuller understanding about the genetic stuff at play, I talked to my best friend who had a minor in middle eastern studies about why God demanded the deaths of certain tribes without mercy, and I *think* (not completely sure), that she said that the conclusion of some scholars was that there was something "off" genetically with those tribes and they would eventually mingle with the Israelites, with a plan to stop the Messiah from coming forth. I say, "think" because I can't recall if it was her or someone else who mentioned that to me back in the early 2000s. Didn't know or understand all of the details as DNA science was still being unraveled at that time, but now I have a lot more understanding.

Dr. Michael Heiser, who is an ancient languages expert, says that scripture is crystal clear with regard to the language.

It wasn't until Augustine declared that this was erroneous in the 3rd century that this became an error that crept into the Church.

This is specifically WHY God declared certain tribes to be killed without mercy. The scripture does NOT make sense if you don't read the scriptures with this backdrop. God never killed man for simply being, "sinful". If that was the case, He would have ended the world and started from scratch, over and over and over.

Frankly, I'm stunned that there are Christians that DON'T believe what is clearly written. I never even knew people didn't believe it until I started posting online.

The giant tribes were direct descendants of Ham. It should be clear to even the casual observer that of course this is all genetic because all of the giant tribes were descendants of Ham/Canaan.

Good, exhaustive list:



Amalekites
Amorites
Anakims
Ashdothites
Aviums Avites Canaanites




Caphtorims
Ekronites
Emins
Emins
Eshkalonites Gazathites Geshurites
Gibeonites
Giblites
Girgashites
Gittites Hittites
Hivites Horims
Horites
Jebusites
Kadmonites Kenites
Kenizzites
Maachathites Manassites
Nephilim *
Perizzites Philistines
Rephaims
Sidonians
Zamzummins Zebusites
Zuzims

Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33

I started this thread so that we don't completely hi-jack the other one.









Y'all made me dig into the OT a bit this afternoon. I could have been mistaken about the Amalakites but not sure. Will have to do more research on their lineage.

However, It seems perfectly clear that the angels did indeed mate with human women.
I have put it on paper on my other computer, complete with scripture to back it up. The question is are y'all up to reading it, because it is pretty long so far?
I find it interesting to study this, and I believe that it also points to possibly giving us more insight into answering the question "where did demons come from?" But first, we must settle whether or not angels left their proper domain and impregnated human women.

If you are up for it, then let me know and I will paste what I have put together over the last hour or so.

BTW, I'm going to post Dr. Heiser's teaching on this. It is very thorough. For certain people who think they know more about ancient languages than Dr. Heiser, I refuse to debate, argue, beat to death, this topic. I couldn't care less what anyone believes or doesn't believe. I won't be lulled into a long debate and WON'T be debating the issue. I am posting this for people that care about truth, study, and are teachable. If you have any questions about the video, please email Dr. Heiser. The video is quite old and if you try to enlarge it, it will be very fuzzy.

Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33

I'm not saying that the condemnation was for interbreeding with giants, but that giants were the product of corrupted seed. I only used the example of how God commanded His people to exterminate bad seed among themselves so that it wouldn't spread in order to show this principle being put into place. I wasn't saying that the unruly children were a product of the "Giant" seed.

Thats even worse ! Youre accusing the Jews of killing their own citizens during their youth because of being genetically impure rather than based on their actions in and of themselves and so that they will not reproduce. That is horrible. This is the first time Ive heard that rendition of the verse.
The Bible declares that we are ALL genetically corrupted since Adam and Eve fell, we ALL inherit the corrupted sinful nature through our genes and we are ALL capable of corrupting our ways to where we become murderers like Cain who was the son of Adam and Eve and a murderer way before the events referred to in Genesis 6. We are ALL of bad seed and the only thing that can undo that is the new birth.

You may disregard the stars that show up in the scriptures, they show up when I copy using my pad, which is what I have access to for the next week while Im in Morocco. Im quoting from the NKJV in case someone thinks the translation is less than scholarly.

Deut 7:1 *“When the*Lord*your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you,*
2*and when the*Lord*your God delivers them over to you, you shall conquer them*and*utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them.
*3*Nor shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to their son, nor take their daughter for your son.*
4*For they will turn your sons away from following Me, to serve other gods; so the anger of the*Lord*will be aroused against you and destroy you suddenly.*

The reason given for not mixing with the mentioned peoples is that they will introduce idol worship into Israel, there is no mention of genetic corruption or bloodlines or the offspring being inherently of bad seed. Only of bad practices being introduced. Which is what happened when Solomon took foreign wives, they turned his heart to foreign gods. Again there is no mention of a corrupted bloodline through those women.

Lev 18:24*'Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you.*
25*For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants.*
26*You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit*any*of these abominations,*either*any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you
*27*(for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who*were*before you, and thus the land is defiled),*

Here the reason given for the extermination of these peoples is their abominable practices and there is no mention of their being of inherently corrupt seed. One of the inhabitants of Canaan that did something completely different was Rahab who hid the spies when they were sought after in Jericho and she is counted as one of the faith heros in Hebrews 11 according to her deeds, which proves that she wasnt of inherently corrupted seed. At least not that she was more inherently corrupted than anyone else who is born with a sinful nature, which includes you and me.

Deut 18:9 When you come into the land which the*Lord*your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations.*
10*There shall not be found among you*anyonewho makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire,*or one*who practices witchcraft,or*a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,*
11*or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.*
12*For all who do these things*arean abomination to the*Lord, and because of these abominations the*Lord*your God drives them out from before you.*
13*You shall be blameless before the*Lord*your God.
*14*For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, theLord*your God has not appointed such for you.

Again the reason given for exterminating these peoples is their abominable practices and not corrupted genes. To the contrary, the reason given for their practices was that they listened to soothsayers and diviners, not that they were more inherently evil than anyone else is.

As Forrest Gump would have said, evil is who evil does.