Thread: Did God know that Billions would go to Hell?

Did God know that Billions would go to Hell?

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Originally Posted by Colonel

Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,

Or as the literal Greek goes :

Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before times eternal

pro chronos aionios

Which necessitates that he knew that the human race would fall then be in need of salvation. Does that mean that God made the decision that we should fall ? Nope. Foreknowledge does not equal predestination.

If that is true then God is playing games with the human race, is schizophrenic, and quite irresponsible:

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

If God knew it all the time then why set Himself up for grief? Why should He regret having ever created man?

Originally Posted by Colonel

The Biblical test of true divinity :

Isaiah 41:21 “Present your case,” says the Lord.
“Set forth your arguments,” says Jacob’s King.
22 “Tell us, you idols,
what is going to happen.
Tell us what the former things were,
so that we may consider them
and know their final outcome.
Or declare to us the things to come,
23 tell us what the future holds,
so we may know that you are gods.

God can tell His future plans and He is able to thwart any plans of anyone else.

If The future is set in stone then God either decreed every single event and if that is the case then you should simply become a Calvinist.

If God is like the weak Arminian God who knows the future but can't do anything to change it then there is a force in the universe more powerful than Himself. If He knows the future but is able to change the future but moves forward with creating things that will make that evil future happen then again, Calvinism is right. If He knows the future and does something to change the future then He never knew the future.

Originally Posted by Colonel

You just denied free will by denying human responsibility for their actions by shifting the blame for their actions over on God.

Actually that is what YOU have done. If the future is set in stone then every act and choice that you and I were ever going to make is set in stone. Hence, no free-will.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Could God have created a Universe where there could never be any sin ? Yes and then they would all be automatons. Could he have created a Universe where his creatures have free will but can never sin ? Maybe not because it would amount to an oxymoron. But he could create creatures with free will, incarnate himself as one of them then resist all temptation and die to all sin and thereby procure victory over it from that point and for eternity and still there is free will. Victory over sin requires that victory over sin be made.

Not sure what this has to do with our discussion but if all of the future is set in stone then all your sinful choices were already made from eternity past. Hence, no free-will. The only difference between Arminianism and Calvinism in this instance is SEMANTICS. Calvinism says God decreed it all and Arminianism says that God saw it all and is helpless to do anything about it.

Originally Posted by victoryword

God can tell His future plans and He is able to thwart any plans of anyone else.

If The future is set in stone then God either decreed every single event and if that is the case then you should simply become a Calvinist.

If God is like the weak Arminian God who knows the future but can't do anything to change it then there is a force in the universe more powerful than Himself. If He knows the future but is able to change the future but moves forward with creating things that will make that evil future happen then again, Calvinism is right. If He knows the future and does something to change the future then He never knew the future.

There is another option bro. He knows the future, yet allows us to exercise our free will. He has set the law of sowing and reaping into motion. We have to choose between life or death, blessings or curses. He even knows the things that some of us needed to go through in order to bring us to surrender. Because He has chosen not to stop our sowing, we must also reap what we have sowed. This spiritual law is as sure as the physical law of gravity.
I believe that a good study of the word shows the principle that Bill Johnson spoke, "God is in charge, not in control".

If He were in control, then He would also be the author of evil. He gave us control over our own lives, within His parameters. Boundaries!