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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    You could be right but Christians are already speculating what his moral failure means so that is why it needs to be stated more clearly
    In the Link at the bottom of the OP Lentz admits he was unfaithful to his wife and that he takes full responsibility for his actions. At least he didn't try and "hide his sin" like Falwell Jr. Did Falwell admit to committing any sin? I'm not sure if he admitted to anything. Even a "moral failure". And why do the peers of these preachers always seem to "sugar coat" these sinful acts. "He had a moral failure! Just call it out for what it is. Carl Lentz committed adultery.
    Jesus never beat around the bush with "fluffy" words when it involved sin. Especially when dealing with the religious folks of His day.
    "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
    For you are like whitewashed tombs,
    which on the outside appear beautiful,
    but on the inside they are full of dead
    men's bones and all uncleanness (Mt 23:27).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    In the Link at the bottom of the OP Lentz admits he was unfaithful to his wife and that he takes full responsibility for his actions. At least he didn't try and "hide his sin" like Falwell Jr. Did Falwell admit to committing any sin? I'm not sure if he admitted to anything. Even a "moral failure". And why do the peers of these preachers always seem to "sugar coat" these sinful acts. "He had a moral failure! Just call it out for what it is. Carl Lentz committed adultery.
    Jesus never beat around the bush with "fluffy" words when it involved sin. Especially when dealing with the religious folks of His day.
    "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
    For you are like whitewashed tombs,
    which on the outside appear beautiful,
    but on the inside they are full of dead
    men's bones and all uncleanness (Mt 23:27).
    Maybe it was a "failure" in the sense that Lentz has already repented, just the damage to his reputation is done ? If he has decided to continue in the sin then that would have been something more than a "failure".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Maybe it was a "failure" in the sense that Lentz has already repented, just the damage to his reputation is done ? If he has decided to continue in the sin then that would have been something more than a "failure".
    No one outside of Hillsong leadership (accept Carl himself) really knows the exact depth of the sin Lentz was involved in. Was it a long term affair that he was able to cover up, or was it multiple women over a substantial amount of time? A one time "failure" is sin just as much as multiple "failure" is sin. Same category as there is no white lie, it's a lie, period. The good news is that the blood of Jesus provides forgiveness and healing. Unfortunately, the restoration and trust process takes time with the spouse who has been damaged by the sin. If the marriage can be saved, it would take a lot longer for the trust factor to be restored than immediate forgiveness the adulterer receives after repentance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    No one outside of Hillsong leadership (accept Carl himself) really knows the exact depth of the sin Lentz was involved in. Was it a long term affair that he was able to cover up, or was it multiple women over a substantial amount of time? A one time "failure" is sin just as much as multiple "failure" is sin. Same category as there is no white lie, it's a lie, period. The good news is that the blood of Jesus provides forgiveness and healing. Unfortunately, the restoration and trust process takes time with the spouse who has been damaged by the sin. If the marriage can be saved, it would take a lot longer for the trust factor to be restored than immediate forgiveness the adulterer receives after repentance.
    But "failure" does seem to indicate that he doesn't officially plan to continue in the sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    But "failure" does seem to indicate that he doesn't officially plan to continue in the sin.
    Agreed Colonel. In my own case when I was a young believer many years ago when I failed the Lord, missed the mark, or quite frankly, lets call it what it is, sinned against Him. I got high on drugs and back-slid for a couple of years. But when I came back to the Lord, received my forgiveness and deliverance, I had no intention whatsoever of going back into bondage and continuing in a sinful lifestyle, and I didn't. My problem to begin with was that I was never properly discipled and had remained a "babe in Christ" for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    Agreed Colonel. In my own case when I was a young believer many years ago when I failed the Lord, missed the mark, or quite frankly, lets call it what it is, sinned against Him. I got high on drugs and back-slid for a couple of years. But when I came back to the Lord, received my forgiveness and deliverance, I had no intention whatsoever of going back into bondage and continuing in a sinful lifestyle, and I didn't. My problem to begin with was that I was never properly discipled and had remained a "babe in Christ" for a long time.
    We may speculate if Lentz' moral failure happened once, took place over time or if it was reoccurring. But Brian Houston listed other criteria for firing Lentz so it may not have been that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    We may speculate if Lentz' moral failure happened once, took place over time or if it was reoccurring. But Brian Houston listed other criteria for firing Lentz so it may not have been that much.
    Whatever the case in the Lentz situation, I hope he overcomes his "short comings" and goes on with the Lord.
    The thing about a celebrity preacher getting caught in sin is that the public "spot light" is put on them for all to see.
    Their sin is "magnified" under the public lens because of their popularity. This brings far more of a reproach to the name of Christ then it would if a pastor was caught sinning in a small church in a rural town, unknown to the Christian media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    We may speculate if Lentz' moral failure happened once, took place over time or if it was reoccurring. But Brian Houston listed other criteria for firing Lentz so it may not have been that much.
    The other criteria mentioned wouldn't get Carl terminated - it needs something stronger like adultery

    In most cases of ministerial adultery it nearly always has been over time at least a number of months

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    The other criteria mentioned wouldn't get Carl terminated - it needs something stronger like adultery

    In most cases of ministerial adultery it nearly always has been over time at least a number of months
    So you mean they would go light on him if it happened only once, even if that got into the public first ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    So you mean they would go light on him if it happened only once, even if that got into the public first ?

    The adultery was only discovered very recently. Once it was investigated and evidence was established, Carl then probably admitted it after being confronted so he was terminated

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