Thread: freemasonry in the church...

Originally Posted by Colonel

There's a lot of scary rituals involved. What I'm questioning is to which degree there is anything spiritual going on beyond make believe, especially with the lower levels (the common man, so to speak). I'm thinking that the free masons may have become largely secularized just like many church people have become, since centuries ago. Is there something spiritual going on when many church goes take communion, attend child baptism, weddings etc ? In many cases they just perform the rituals, vow to be godfather for the child or whatever and there is nothing else going on than that.

no the occult is very strong from the 1st degree mason on up. the rituals and oaths r designed to lead the mason from day 1 toward the worship of lucifer. read the book i linked 2...

Originally Posted by wheeze

no the occult is very strong from the 1st degree mason on up. the rituals and oaths r designed to lead the mason from day 1 toward the worship of lucifer. read the book i linked 2...

Yes, and the rituals involved with communion, baptism and weddings are likewise supposed to involve the power of God and something very real going on in the hearts of those who participate. Then some of those who participate don't believe at all, they just perform the rituals.

I have read about free masonry before, many, many years ago. I've read about a great number of things, many of which I don't remember that clearly.

Doesn't mean that my conclusions that I remember better than the details, are correct. But I do have an idea at least.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Yes, and the rituals involved with communion, baptism and weddings are likewise supposed to involve the power of God and something very real going on in the hearts of those who participate.

there is a difference between being baptized onto the Lord verses being baptized into masonry.....

Originally Posted by wheeze

there is a difference between being baptized onto the Lord verses being baptized into masonry.....

Yes, and a participation in both may be faked. Especially relative to the original intent of what the rituals are supposed to be about.

Both can be utterly real. Both can be utterly faked.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Yes, and the rituals involved with communion, baptism and weddings are likewise supposed to involve the power of God and something very real going on in the hearts of those who participate. Then some of those who participate don't believe at all, they just perform the rituals.

Big difference between the two is... God is a gentlemen, so to speak, where He does not force Himself upon those that participate in the things you listed without believing.

On the other hand... if one opens the door to a devil, they will be bit by a serpent.

You know the old saying... if you let the devil in the backseat, won't be long and he's going to want to drive and those that are ignorant of God's Word let him, cause they are being deceived!

Originally Posted by wheeze

yes they really worship (s)atan.... having had run ins with the principality of free masonry more than once it is a very powerful entity of (s)atan.....

That is really something. In fact, it's hard to fathom but I believe it.

Wasn't some of our founding fathers masons? or so I seem to have heard

Originally Posted by Nightsky

Depends on the Baptist Church. I was taught, both in a Baptist college and in Baptist churches that freemasonry was evil and that Christians should stay out of it. Also, I spent 6 weeks one summer working in Utah under the auspices of an independent Baptist missions organization and became aware of the connection between freemasonry and mormonism.

I'm sure you are right. There is quite a variety of Baptist

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

Big difference between the two is... God is a gentlemen, so to speak, where He does not force Himself upon those that participate in the things you listed without believing.

On the other hand... if one opens the door to a devil, they will be bit by a serpent.

You know the old saying... if you let the devil in the backseat, won't be long and he's going to want to drive and those that are ignorant of God's Word let him, cause they are being deceived!

People have to open themselves up for the devil to really take hold of them. Deception may work that in them over time but they still have to actually do that. The most effective way of serving Satan is to approach him as just that, Satan from the Bible. Like Citadela the Satan worshipper did, according to her own testimony. Whatever approach one uses that makes a real connection to him and his powers, one is made a slave. The most effective servants of Satan are so not because they have found great powers that they wield in freedom as his princes. They are effective because they have become his slaves and whatever it is that they themselves want has faded into the background or has nearly ceased to exist. Satan doesn't care what his slaves think or how they feel, he just uses and abuses them because they have become useful to him. It is a pitiful existence indeed.

Yes, several were, including George Washington.

Originally Posted by Pentecali

That is really something. In fact, it's hard to fathom but I believe it.

Wasn't some of our founding fathers masons? or so I seem to have heard

Originally Posted by CatchyUsername

Yes, several were, including George Washington.

And at that time and considering his level, he could very well have been deeply into the occult. Something he wouldn't talk about outside the circles of free masonry, obviously.