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    Perry Stone; Why I was on my Phone (video)

    Perry Stone explains why he was on his phone while praying in tongues.



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    I never would have even made this video. It was a heresy hunter site anyway. Most that speak in tongues, like those of us that commented understood it. I wouldn't answer a heresy hunter site.

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    I didn't realize it was the praying in tongues that got folks riled up.
    What got me was him on his phone AT ALL while praying.
    That's disrespectful at best.
    seriously? you're in deep intimacy with the creator of the universe and you need to check your phone? for any reason?
    nope.
    either stop the prayer, or put down the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    I didn't realize it was the praying in tongues that got folks riled up.
    What got me was him on his phone AT ALL while praying.
    That's disrespectful at best.
    seriously? you're in deep intimacy with the creator of the universe and you need to check your phone? for any reason?
    nope.
    either stop the prayer, or put down the phone.
    Do you pray while you drive? Doesnt the word encourage us to pray without ceasing? I pray in tongues doing all sorts of things and even in my sleep.

    I will hold to what Fuego had said, that Perry's putting it on video was the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Do you pray while you drive? Doesnt the word encourage us to pray without ceasing? I pray in tongues doing all sorts of things and even in my sleep.

    I will hold to what Fuego had said, that Perry's putting it on video was the problem.
    I agree. In today's world you never know where video will end up. It's like video made by bystanders of anything that ends up on the news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    I agree. In today's world you never know where video will end up. It's like video made by bystanders of anything that ends up on the news.
    And will land in the seat of the scoffers. It's what they look for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Do you pray while you drive? Doesnt the word encourage us to pray without ceasing? I pray in tongues doing all sorts of things and even in my sleep.

    I will hold to what Fuego had said, that Perry's putting it on video was the problem.
    I do. I don't, however, when I'm on FB, or here, or any number of things that distract from deeper attention, unless it's the short "arrow" prayers.
    and, I definitely would not, in a position of leadeship, whip out that phone and start going through it when I'm supposed to be in prayer.

    after watching the video it seemed to me he was wholly distracted. I'm sorry, that can't be a way to model how prayer works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    I didn't realize it was the praying in tongues that got folks riled up.
    What got me was him on his phone AT ALL while praying.
    That's disrespectful at best.
    seriously? you're in deep intimacy with the creator of the universe and you need to check your phone? for any reason?
    nope.
    either stop the prayer, or put down the phone.
    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Do you pray while you drive? Doesnt the word encourage us to pray without ceasing? I pray in tongues doing all sorts of things and even in my sleep.
    I'll post what I posted on the other thread about this:

    Praise and worship is 'presence'.
    Praying in tongues is 'edification'.

    And we have to distinguish between these two things to show more accurately where someone like myself and AJ are coming from. And Bookie, you have a valid point about the mind being distracted, but it's not as critical in tongues as it is in praise/worship. But I'll go into that below in more detail.

    Praise and worship requires the human spirit AND mind. Directing the mind is something that is necessary in praise and worship in order to get into the presence of the Jesus and the Father (I'll get into being in the presence of the Holy Spirit in a moment). As a matter of fact, I think praise precedes worship (I will enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise Psalm 100), and is a 'tool' to enter into worship more deeply because it is what aids in focusing the mind and getting our mind undistracted where we can move more deeply into the presence of the Lord (I know everybody isn't like this, but I don't like going into a worship service and the worship team just going right into slow worship. Every person there has been out in the world all week, in their jobs, in their family, doing life, and not really prepared to enter into deep worship, so praise helps "break the hell" off them and gets them focused to move more deeply into the presence of the Lord with worship. That's just my personal opinion).

    So I believe having the mind focused and undistracted is critical in worship because with a distracted mind it's really going to be hard to get into the real literal presence of the Lord.

    Now where fellowship with the Holy Spirit is concerned, we do not have to do anything to get into His presence because the Father sent Him to be in our presence. To get into the presence of the Holy Spirit, you literally have to do nothing because He's literally in you. He's in you and me 24/7. The Father and Jesus are in heaven but dwell in us through the Holy Spirit. But real worship is having the Holy Spirit take you into the literal presence of Jesus and the Father. That is a whole 'nother dynamic than the Holy Spirit already being in us. We have such a hard time getting into the presence of God that the Father sent the Holy Spirit to literally, geographically, to be in our presence by putting Him inside of us. It literally is a mind boggling truth that we've just become accustomed to and ceased to be awed by for the most part (let's see how many more times I can use the word literally ).

    So when I pray in tongues, I can be distracted because fist of all, the Holy Spirit is in me to activate whether I'm focused or not, and more importantly, and one of the ingenious things about tongues is that it bypasses the mind totally. The mind is not involved at all when praying in tongues. Praying in tongues is so important that God made it where we can do it without our mind being involved so that we can do it any time, any place, and under any circumstances. Whether you are focused or not, the same process that tongues is intended to execute always takes place! And that process is to impart revelation and spiritual understanding into our spirits as we speak in tongues to be later revealed to our minds. The other part of that process is to offer up the perfect prayers for our lives that are in line with His mind and will for us (He makes intercession for us... Romans 8:26,27).

    Bookie correctly stated that the Holy Spirit will help quieten our mind if we are focused. Now, is there a benefit also to being focused and have the mind quieted also when praying in tongues? Absolutely. That is why we need times of quiet and focus when praying in tongues also, but it's not necessary and shouldn't keep us from yielding to tongues every moment we can. But when quiet and focused, it allows us to hear more clearly if the Holy Spirit speaks or reveals anything to us while we are praying in tongues. So have the times where you allow the Holy Spirit to quieten you mind, but don't think you're limited to that kind of praying when praying with tongues.

    One more point here I want to make and I'll do it by quoting something I said above:

    And that process is to impart revelation and spiritual understanding into our spirits as we speak in tongues to be later revealed to our minds.
    "He that prays in an unknown tongue edifies himself". 1 Cor. 14:4. 'Edification' is the term for that process I quoted above. Edification is not some feeling, or elation, or some state of joyful mind, or being 'charged up like a battery' like some people have taught. They didn't even have batteries back then and Paul by the Holy Spirit wouldn't have used an analogy like that. Edification, edifice, etc, are actually construction terms. Edification does mean 'to build up', but being built up like a building, not being built up like charging a battery. An 'edifice' is "a building, especially a large, imposing one." 'Edify" means "instruct or improve (someone) morally or intellectually.
    : UPLIFT also : ENLIGHTEN, INFORM; BUILD, ESTABLISH. So using these definitions, when we pray in tongues the Bible means we are "building a large imposing structure of moral and intellectual (it renews our mind) knowledge that enlightens and establishes us in the things of God."

    And my point was that process takes place no matter what the situation is when we pray in tongues. Whether quiet or distracted. That's why it's important that we yield as much as possible even if we can't be in the position of being quiet and focused. Again though, being quiet and focused while doing it does allow us to be in more of a position of hearing from the Holy Spirit while we are actually praying in tongues. But the edification process takes place regardless, first in our spirit, and then at a later time revealed to the conscious mind, whether while meditating in the Word, in worship, etc.

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    Late night talk show host and famous comedian are mocking this. Sad. Comments are getting into the 1000's. I hate this for the Church.

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    What do you expect from hypocrite comedians.....they won't make fun of Muslims or gays

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