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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    What I don't understand (or maybe I do and don't realize it) is why Rachel had to leave at such a young age, yet Carlton Pearson, who has been around longer, should know better, who teaches far more heresy and IMO is more dangerous than her overall, is still around in his 60's??
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    That's a good point.

    I was reading a Finney teaching many moons ago where he basically addresses this. He talks about the blood-thirsty pirate and his attributes, etc. Then talks about the sweet housewife who loves her husband and kids, a good moral person, and her attributes etc. Then he brings home the point that if neither is saved, they're the same person in their heart and both are deserving of eternal punishment. We like to think someone is worse than another (and of course this may be true outwardly), but like you said, how much more unsaved can the blood-thirsty pirate be than the sweet, loving, moral housewife? They're both the same amount of unsaved, both deserving of the punishment they get when based on the heart. They are both of their father the devil.

    Now this has nothing to do with this discussion per se, but that made me think about something else. He has a sermon called 'Refuge of Lies' which the phrase is found in Isaiah 28:17. He makes the point how sinners seek refuge behind the lies they've formed in their life. Those lies protect them from God so to speak, protect them from having to acknowledge the truth and give their lives to the Lord.

    In the case of the moral loving housewife who is not saved, the fact that she does love her family, is a good moral person, etc, become the lies she hides behind to protect herself from God and conviction and receiving Jesus. So the preaching and teaching for salvation has to be done in such a way to expose those lies and show a person that they are a sinner, and they they do need Jesus. Of course Finney was a master of that kind of preaching and teaching, preaching and teaching designed to expose the lies that sinners hide behind. And part of the foundation for that was the Law.
    Finney had something we don't have today, a large part of the population that considered the Bible to have fundamental authority. Like when Paul was a jew to jews or a greek to greeks, Finney could relate to those people on their own terms. Some street evangelists commented recently that the hardest area they had ever evangelized was an area where a Christian group had preached law on the street the last 30 years and claimed one convert from doing that. It was more difficult for the street evangelists to relate the message to people in that area than anywhere else they had ever been. It was like everything was completely dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    At the same time, all people were Rachel's people. Rachel was "for" an all-embracing vision of Christ's church and the relentless inclusion of refugees and those suffering poverty, of LGBTQ people, of women and especially women of color, of the unseen and unheard and swept-aside. She recognized the real geometry of God. She used her writing to build the bridges so many of us needed to get back to God's love, to one another and to the church. And in a world that covets power, cash and influence, she lavishly gave away all three. She centered the marginalized, quietly offering expertise, introductions, endorsements, speaking invitations, money and more."
    Which is simply lingo for "unconditional acceptance" which is very different to the Biblical concept of "love that edifies according to the truth". A love that requires change for that edification to take place. A love that snatches out of the fire instead of applauding someone's playing with fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post

    I was reading a Finney teaching many moons ago where he basically addresses this. He talks about the blood-thirsty pirate and his attributes, etc. Then talks about the sweet housewife who loves her husband and kids, a good moral person, and her attributes etc. Then he brings home the point that if neither is saved, they're the same person in their heart and both are deserving of eternal punishment. We like to think someone is worse than another (and of course this may be true outwardly), but like you said, how much more unsaved can the blood-thirsty pirate be than the sweet, loving, moral housewife? They're both the same amount of unsaved, both deserving of the punishment they get when based on the heart. They are both of their father the devil.

    Was reading a FB site by Christians with backgrounds of pente/charis, evangelicals, those who once believed like us and the majority are rejecting hell and every aspect of God judging for anything.

    Even worse they are totally rejecting that Jesus had to die for our sins and God didn't require his death and sacrifice. God Did Not Need the Blood of Jesus for Salvation

    Basically their doctrine is evil men killed Jesus but he chooses to forgive us because he loves us...end of story and now believe what you want

    No need to repent, no need to understand why the blood was required to atone for our sins, no need to believe Jesus had to die for our sins, no need to pray about lost souls or people missing heaven, no need to believe the Word.

    The error is horrific and then many go on to judge those of us who believe the archaic 'false doctrine' of humans needing the blood to be saved....we are apparently like the pagans who worshipped a wrong image of God.

    Just luvvvvvvv everyone whatever that means

    Not only has the world gone wacko but once true believers are totally deluded

    The false church is here and flourishing right in our midst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Just luvvvvvvv everyone whatever that means
    The sex ed worker who went around some city in the nineties and taught homosexuals to use condoms by having them use it on him, for free, must qualify as the epitome of luuuuvvvving everyone.

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    Given the state of the church today, this is a very important subject to address and the responses are spot on. Very sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Some street evangelists commented recently that the hardest area they had ever evangelized was an area where a Christian group had preached law on the street the last 30 years and claimed one convert from doing that.
    I take that comment from them with a grain of salt. First of all, what does one mean by 'preached the law'? The 'law' in the hands of someone with no love or compassion will only harden. Not to mention what is meant by 'the law'. Another thing is this comment could be made by those who say that 'love' is the answer, and then we get down to what they mean by 'love' which is as we know defined differently depending on who you talk to. All kinds of angels I could approach this from to show the remark really has not truly applicable meaning.

    So I put no stock in what was said there by 'some street evangelists'. It really means nothing. Very few Christians are skilled at how to use the law in evangelism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I take that comment from them with a grain of salt. First of all, what does one mean by 'preached the law'? The 'law' in the hands of someone with no love or compassion will only harden. Not to mention what is meant by 'the law'. Another thing is this comment could be made by those who say that 'love' is the answer, and then we get down to what they mean by 'love' which is as we know defined differently depending on who you talk to. All kinds of angels I could approach this from to show the remark really has not truly applicable meaning.

    So I put no stock in what was said there by 'some street evangelists'. It really means nothing. Very few Christians are skilled at how to use the law in evangelism.
    While I don't remember exactly who they were I do remember that they were well known and I doubt if you would find them objectionable. As for being jew to jew, greek to greek (the culture that permeated the Roman empire at that time including the Hellenistic Jews of the larger cities in Israel) I'm quite sure it has some application across time. Meaning that getting into the details of how Finney related to the people of his time doesn't necessarily help much with relating to the people of our times. Sure we can learn something but there is such a thing as going too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    While I don't remember exactly who they were I do remember that they were well known and I doubt if you would find them objectionable. As for being jew to jew, greek to greek (the culture that permeated the Roman empire at that time including the Hellenistic Jews of the larger cities in Israel) I'm quite sure it has some application across time. Meaning that getting into the details of how Finney related to the people of his time doesn't necessarily help much with relating to the people of our times. Sure we can learn something but there is such a thing as going too far.
    I'm sure I probably wouldn't find them objectionable. I just know that nobody comes close to being on the same page about these things and so hence saying the comment doesn't really mean anything. The 'law' isn't for a given time, it was made for the sinner's heart to convict them:

    We know that the law is good when used correctly. For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God. 1 Tim. 1:9-11

    Like I said, if not used correctly as Timothy stated, it can cause more harm than good. Scripture transcends times. That's part of the reason that we have so much 'lawlessness' today and people teaching things this very thread is about. People think because times change the scripture changes. It doesn't. The law will still convict a heart just as it always has, leaving the door open for 'the good news.'

    But anyway, different strokes for different folks.

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