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    The stip requiring pastors to be well degree’d is reminiscent of state run churches as in Russia and England.

    It is this one that fascinated me:
    “The closures do not infringe on the freedom to worship, but rather address the alarming proliferation of places of worship in dilapidated and unhygienic conditions,” the RGB stated on July 27, “as well as troubling behavior of unscrupulous individuals masquerading as religious leaders.”

    That latter stipulation is interesting.

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    I am all for pastors and teachers obtaining a working knowledge of theology prior to presenting themselves as some kind of authority, and I wish more Charismatic ministers would show some respect for systematic theology and proper hermeneutics. But when you make it a requirement you place the control in the hands of the requirers (Caesar) and that's never a good thing. That's why we have denominations and ministerial alliances, to set standards and hold people accountable.

    I think it's wrong to encourage people to go on lengthy fasts. It usually does more harm than good. Carlton Pearson mentions frequently how important fasting was in his tradition of COGIC, and claims he fasted for 40 days. Look where he is today, denying the doctrine of eternal punishment and rejecting the authority of the Bible because he "heard from God" that the church has the gospel all wrong. Still, I hate to see the government regulating these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    The stip requiring pastors to be well degree’d is reminiscent of state run churches as in Russia and England.

    It is this one that fascinated me:
    “The closures do not infringe on the freedom to worship, but rather address the alarming proliferation of places of worship in dilapidated and unhygienic conditions,” the RGB stated on July 27, “as well as troubling behavior of unscrupulous individuals masquerading as religious leaders.”

    That latter stipulation is interesting.
    Some of the craziest stories about allegedly Charismatic Christian ministers are from Southern Africa. Some of them divine that random children are really witches then proceed to mutilate or kill them at will, sometimes after torturing confessions out of them first. So if it's that kind they are after then it's understandable. Who knows what happens if "pastors" teach dirt poor people that are already malnutrioned and extremely thin that they should all of a sudden go on a 40 day water fast and if they make it then they will get rich. That's just a guess but it wouldn't surprise me if that is close to the truth of the matter. Or if the "pastors" tell the same people that if they give them all their money then they will get rich and instead they die because they can't feed their families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Some of the craziest stories about allegedly Charismatic Christian ministers are from Southern Africa. Some of them divine that random children are really witches then proceed to mutilate or kill them at will, sometimes after torturing confessions out of them first. So if it's that kind they are after then it's understandable. Who knows what happens if "pastors" teach dirt poor people that are already malnutrioned and extremely thin that they should all of a sudden go on a 40 day water fast and if they make it then they will get rich. That's just a guess but it wouldn't surprise me if that is close to the truth of the matter. Or if the "pastors" tell the same people that if they give them all their money then they will get rich and instead they die because they can't feed their families.
    99.9999% of charismatic pastors in South Africa or in this case East Africa don't believe in any such practices and in any case those will be practices imported from remnants of the African Traditional Religions . They are not synonympus whi the Charismatic Movement

    Call this what it is .. persecution of up and coming pentecostals by the establishment church and nothing more

    We have seen it in America, in Europe, In South America its no different here

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    The stip requiring pastors to be well degree'd is reminiscent of state run churches as in Russia and England.

    It is this one that fascinated me:
    "The closures do not infringe on the freedom to worship, but rather address the alarming proliferation of places of worship in dilapidated and unhygienic conditions," the RGB stated on July 27, "as well as troubling behavior of unscrupulous individuals masquerading as religious leaders."

    That latter stipulation is interesting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Some of the craziest stories about allegedly Charismatic Christian ministers are from Southern Africa. Some of them divine that random children are really witches then proceed to mutilate or kill them at will, sometimes after torturing confessions out of them first. So if it's that kind they are after then it's understandable. Who knows what happens if "pastors" teach dirt poor people that are already malnutrioned and extremely thin that they should all of a sudden go on a 40 day water fast and if they make it then they will get rich. That's just a guess but it wouldn't surprise me if that is close to the truth of the matter. Or if the "pastors" tell the same people that if they give them all their money then they will get rich and instead they die because they can't feed their families.
    Right, I entirely get that and especially for that scenario. What I found interesting was (in my thinking) if only we could apply that here in our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    99.9999% of charismatic pastors in South Africa or in this case East Africa don't believe in any such practices and in any case those will be practices imported from remnants of the African Traditional Religions . They are not synonympus whi the Charismatic Movement

    Call this what it is .. persecution of up and coming pentecostals by the establishment church and nothing more

    We have seen it in America, in Europe, In South America its no different here
    The hybrid religious people create problems for the majority of regular Charismatics, there's no doubt about that. Crazy fasting or crazy prosperity thinking may have little to do with traditional religions and more to do with a lack of education, whether religious or regular education.

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    “The government gets irritated when you start preaching the type of American prosperity gospel which many African preachers are learning from American television and YouTube,” Charles Mugisha, founder and chancellor of Africa College of Theology, recently told CT’s Quick to Listen podcast. “The government becomes protective of its citizens if a church or preacher begins to manipulate it.”

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