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    Talking to Dead Saints

    Most of us wholly reject the doctrines of the catholic church, praying to dead saints but a new wave is upon us where talking to dead saints is accepted by many, never questioned. Should we receive ministry from dead folks?

    Leviticus 19:31
    'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.'

    Leviticus 20:27
    "Men and women among you who act as mediums or psychics must be put to death by stoning. They are guilty of a capital offense."

    Deuteronomy 18:10-13
    Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God.

    1 Chronicles 10:13-14
    Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance, and did not inquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse.

    2 Chronicles 33:6
    He [King Manasseh] sacrificed his sons in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, practiced sorcery, divination and witchcraft, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD, provoking him to anger.

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    Matthew 17

    2And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. 3And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah."…

    In a previous thread it was noted that Moses and Elijah only spoke with Jesus..who was 'human' at the time..

    But I agree that there is nothing scriptural about US doing that...but this passage does seem to leave some wiggle room...especially since all the verses you quoted regard seeking out a medium...not having a visitation...or vision..

    I can't think of any other instance besides the incident with Saul..and there was a high price to pay for that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Matthew 17

    2And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. 3And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah."…

    In a previous thread it was noted that Moses and Elijah only spoke with Jesus..who was 'human' at the time..

    But I agree that there is nothing scriptural about US doing that...but this passage does seem to leave some wiggle room...especially since all the verses you quoted regard seeking out a medium...not having a visitation...or vision..

    I can't think of any other instance besides the incident with Saul..and there was a high price to pay for that...
    If visions and dreams are from the Lord would He violate scripture and bring you a dead person to chat with?

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    I have in visions been present in places including in the past but I have never talked to a dead person nor do I think anyone there in the past was ever aware of my presence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    If visions and dreams are from the Lord would He violate scripture and bring you a dead person to chat with?
    You have not shown where it's a violation of scripture..again you only addressed approaching mediums to contact the dead...that is two things..

    Contacting a medium...and second, seeking audience with the dead...

    So you need to prove it's a violation of scripture to have us talk to someone in a vision or visitation that HE facilitates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I have in visions been present in places including in the past but I have never talked to a dead person nor do I think anyone there in the past was ever aware of my presence.
    Nor have I..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    You have not shown where it's a violation of scripture..again you only addressed approaching mediums to contact the dead...that is two things..

    Contacting a medium...and second, seeking audience with the dead...

    So you need to prove it's a violation of scripture to have us talk to someone in a vision or visitation that HE facilitates.
    You allude to visions and dreams that are from the Lord, now if they are indeed from the Lord would he have you engaging in necromancy? Communicating with the dead? I don't see any biblical accounts of that happening.

    If we are commanded to stay away (far away) from such things why would He subject you to them? It violates His word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    You allude to visions and dreams that are from the Lord, now if they are indeed from the Lord would he have you engaging in necromancy? Communicating with the dead? I don't see any biblical accounts of that happening.

    If we are commanded to stay away (far away) from such things why would He subject you to them? It violates His word.
    Well, do people actually go to heaven and come back? Every person they talk to while there is 'dead'. Maybe you're too focused on the letter of what you're reading and not the spirit of it. Not that I believe we should be visiting graves and trying to get anointing from them, etc. But God could certainly in a vision have you talk to a loved one in heaven, etc, and not be violating the spirit of what He's said.

    Not to mention the scriptures you quoted are OT, and that being the case, the Father violated His own scripture by having Jesus talk with Elijah and Moses. So obviously there is a 'spirit' to the command and not just the letter of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Well, do people actually go to heaven and come back? Every person they talk to while there is 'dead'. Maybe you're too focused on the letter of what you're reading and not the spirit of it. Not that I believe we should be visiting graves and trying to get anointing from them, etc. But God could certainly in a vision have you talk to a loved one in heaven, etc, and not be violating the spirit of what He's said.

    Not to mention the scriptures you quoted are OT, and that being the case, the Father violated His own scripture by having Jesus talk with Elijah and Moses. So obviously there is a 'spirit' to the command and not just the letter of the law.
    Yeah, I remember Hagin Sr. taking some heat for publically disclosing that he talked to his dead wife, I don't recall whether it was in a dream or not. I kinda saw it as harmless, the old man got some comfort, maybe it was emotionally driven but no need to make a big deal out of it even if he missed it. It certainly isn't something to make a doctrine out of nor is it wise to desire these things in light of OT and NT scripture.

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    BTW, here is some NT..

    John 14:26
    But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

    John 15:26
    [Jesus speaking] When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.

    John 16:13
    But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

    We have the Holy Spirit. There is no necromancy "pass" in the NT. John on Patmos, who wrote Revelations wasn't chatting with dead people but certainly had a powerful experience without them.

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