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    Quote Originally Posted by CatchyUsername View Post
    Well, we know that people prophesy on instruments:



    So there is a clear indication that people can literally declare the voice of the Lord through musical instruments. As to your question, I believe that as people yield their members to Christ, His voice is manifest and His will is made known. "How" that happens is not fully known, but there are many examples in scripture concerning this, and I think a lot has to do with how yielded someone is. That is why I don't care how much talent someone has (musically), or how gifted they are, if they are not sanctified, then none of that matters, because Christ is not going to make His presence known.

    The example about the walls of Jericho coming down is another example. *Something* was going on, and they were commanded to shout for A REASON, I believe.

    I've been hearing about sound waves being used in cancer treatments, and music therapy being used in hospitals for YEARS. I am clueless as to why anyone would think God can't use musical instruments or that music does absolutely NOTHING. But hey, I don't really care what anyone thinks. My peers all have the understanding. It's not even remotely controversial where I go to Church.
    Of course no one has even even remotely suggested that music does absolutely NOTHING.

    The thing with the new age stuff is that it comes with some truth, music can lead us into a proper mind set of praise, the bible says we enter His gates with thanksgiving and His courts with praise and to give thanks to Him and praise His name. We can praise Him through music.

    Frequencies bring healing, connection, etc.......new age. leaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Of course no one has even even remotely suggested that music does absolutely NOTHING.

    The thing with the new age stuff is that it comes with some truth, music can lead us into a proper mind set of praise, the bible says we enter His gates with thanksgiving and His courts with praise and to give thanks to Him and praise His name. We can praise Him through music.

    Frequencies bring healing, connection, etc.......new age. leaven.
    Well, you said it, therefore it's truth. There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. So when God speaks to prophesy on the instruments, and that your enemies will be defeated, John says that this is "new age".

    Thus saith John.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatchyUsername View Post
    Well, you said it, therefore it's truth. There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. So when God speaks to prophesy on the instruments, and that your enemies will be defeated, John says that this is "new age".

    Thus saith John.
    And there is the truth mixed with new age, instruments are tools to create music, praise or otherwise, they do not create healing or even frequencies that create healing. Jesus heals, He doesn't need frequencies.

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    I wasn't remotely implying that music has anything to do with the treatment of cancer. That's not what I said previously. I said that because science utilizes sound waves to BRING HEALING, then God uses sound frequencies as well (duh). Just because you don't understand how God's Word or vessel accomplishes healing modalities in a literal sense, doesn't mean that I don't, and that other Christians don't. Everything on planet earth vibrates at a particular frequency. EVERYTHING. Hertz, gigahertz, megahertz, etc.....For all you know, when Jesus spoke the Word of healing, the frequencies in His voice drove the demons out (or sickness or whatever). It's unfathomable that this isn't completely self-evident, and once again, the fact that you literally nitpick the instance of the sound waves killing the cancer as being "destructive" is precisely what I expected. I can't believe I even looked at the post to even see what you wrote, but I am not surprised at all that you would be so obtuse.

    The bottom line is that for whatever reason, some people that post here, who will remain nameless....that whenever a new concept is introduced.....something perhaps they have never heard taught or whatever....have closed, unteachable, minds, and hearts, yet will fight about said topic for days, weeks, and months on end, SWEARING they are right or "biblical" and everyone else is completely deceived and cavorting with devils.

    Frankly, it doesn't matter to me what you and John believe. Your lack of understanding won't change how I pray before service, and it won't effect what Bill Johnson believes, either. You are welcome to believe whatever you want, welcome to judge others as being duped, deceived, or too stupid to discern they are knee deep in new age. We know that everyone else that posts here are simply a hair away from backsliding, after all.

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    I don't know that the latter has anything to do with music though :

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-arti...te-sound-waves

    They used two highly sensitive diagnostic techniques – MRI and mapping biopsies – to enable them to pinpoint the exact location of the cancer lesions(s), something which is not possible with standard diagnostic tests (transrectal biopsy). The researchers then targeted these areas with the HIFU device. HIFU focuses high frequency sound waves onto an area the size of a grain of rice. The sound waves cause the tissue to vibrate and heat to about 80 degrees, killing the cells in the target area. The procedure is performed in hospital under general anaesthetic and most patients are back home within 24 hours.

    They are able to employ sound waves to heat up the cancer area until it dies without heating up surrounding tissue, that's about it. In this case the sound waves technically have destructive properties, not healing properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    And there is the truth mixed with new age, instruments are tools to create music, praise or otherwise, they do not create healing or even frequencies that create healing. Jesus heals, He doesn't need frequencies.
    Thank you for schooling everyone here that Jesus heals. We did not know that.

    God can use whatever He wants. He didn't "need" the musicians to prophesy on their instruments to defeat the enemies of God, either. He could have just sent an angel to slaughter them all like He had done in other passages. He could have released Saul from his demons, but he used David and his harp, see.

    See, at the end of the day, you're not God. He chooses the method to release healing, miracles, deliverance, etc......

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatchyUsername View Post
    Thank you for schooling everyone here that Jesus heals. We did not know that.
    You're welcome.

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    OK, willow bark, sorry. It does the same thing as aspirin. Should we incorporate that into worship, the bark?
    Some folk use ganja, a natural substance in their worship..God created it, but would that be wrong too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    Some folk use ganja, a natural substance in their worship..God created it, but would that be wrong too?
    It would depend on the frequency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    It would depend on the frequency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    If it came down simply because they shouted at the right vibration to make the walls crumble then the same would have happened if some army had done the same while having Jerusalem under siege.

    The Bible tells us the reason why the walls of Jericho fell :

    Heb 11:30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down after they were encircled for seven days.

    According to New Agers, faith is a neutral spiritual force that can be employed by the wielder for anything he or she desires. The Bible teaches that real faith is faith in God, is a gift from God and operates within his will. Joshua and the Israelites had faith in the word given to them by God and God worked his power accordingly, upon their acting in faith on that word.
    There had to be something to the shout, as they were to be absolutely silent as they walked around the walls.
    Josh.6:10 But Joshua commanded the people, saying, "You shall not shout nor let your voice be heard nor let a word proceed out of your mouth, until the day I tell you, 'Shout!' Then you shall shout!"

    Josh.6:16 At the seventh time, when the priests blew the trumpets, Joshua said to the people, "Shout! For the Lord has given you the city. 17 The city shall be under the ban, it and all that is in it belongs to the Lord; only Rahab the harlot [e]and all who are with her in the house shall live, because she hid the messengers whom we sent. 18 But as for you, only keep yourselves from the things under the ban, so that you do not [f]covet them and take some of the things under the ban, and make the camp of Israel accursed and bring trouble on it. 19 But all the silver and gold and articles of bronze and iron are holy to the Lord; they shall go into the treasury of the Lord." 20 So the people shouted, and [g]priests blew the trumpets; and when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, the people shouted with a great shout and the wall fell down [h]flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight [i]ahead, and they took the city.

    So the walls crumbled after their obedience of marching and silence was fulfilled. Then they shouted, the walls crumbled.

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