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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    OK, willow bark, sorry. It does the same thing as aspirin. Should we incorporate that into worship, the bark?
    Why not, we incorporate music into worship and that has an effect on the psyche at the very least. It would still not make either aspirin, willow bark or music inherently spiritual in nature. They are all physical in nature, music involves sound waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    A frequency produced by a physical instrument is a physical thing, it is not a spiritual thing.
    I agree but what if God integrated a healing propensity into that frequency?

    KC said years ago that God has spiritual principles or laws in place that anyone can tap into..like the wisdom to get wealth..does not require salvation and a specific move of GOD to make it happen...Like sowing and reaping...does that apply to just Christians or everyone?

    So frequencies that have a healing propensity (if they do) would work for all..like it rains on the just and the unjust?

    Just thinking out loud..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Why not, we incorporate music into worship and that has an effect on the psyche at the very least. It would still not make either aspirin, willow bark or music inherently spiritual in nature. They are all physical in nature, music involves sound waves.
    Music in worship was instructed by God...I think He loves music...I think musical worship is spiritual...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I agree but what if God integrated a healing propensity into that frequency?

    KC said years ago that God has spiritual principles or laws in place that anyone can tap into..like the wisdom to get wealth..does not require salvation and a specific move of GOD to make it happen...Like sowing and reaping...does that apply to just Christians or everyone?

    So frequencies that have a healing propensity (if they do) would work for all..like it rains on the just and the unjust?

    Just thinking out loud..
    Yes but it would still be physical in nature and not spiritual ! There aren't that many things that are spiritual. Here are some :

    God/the Holy Spirit
    Angels, fallen angels, demons
    Human spirits

    The power of God
    demonic power

    That's about it. Once we introduce spiritual entities in between that and the physical world then we are crossing over into new age. That said, there may be a lot of stuff belonging to the physical world that we, including scientists, have no understanding of. It isn't that long ago when they had no idea about electricity, for instance.

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    The bible says He inhabits the praise of His people, not the frequencies generated by instruments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Music in worship was instructed by God...I think He loves music...I think musical worship is spiritual...
    It has a spiritual effect when it aids the human being in worship, because the human being is spiritual. That is different to it being intrinsically spiritual.

    We can have atheists play worship songs (all by themselves) all day long and it will have no spiritual effect on them. Unless God decides to do something in addition, that is. Or if it contains scripture, that may have an effect. You could possibly add that to my list of spiritual things - the Word. But that is really just because it has the ability to point to Jesus, who is spiritual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    The bible says He inhabits the praise of His people, not the frequencies generated by instruments.
    I don't think that a case can be made for the Bible speaking about frequencies, but I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I don't think that a case can be made for the Bible speaking about frequencies, but I could be wrong.
    The scripture I offered was OT, He inhabited the praise of His people.

    Now, of course, He inhabits the people of praise, why would we need frequencies to connect or receive from Him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Now, of course, He inhabits the people of praise, why would we need frequencies to connect or receive from Him?
    Why would we need praise ? Why would we need to do anything at all ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Why would we need praise ? Why would we need to do anything at all ?
    We don't need praise in the traditional, OT sense of music, offerings, etc.

    Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God--this is your true and proper worship.
    And when praise becomes a means, well, it isn't praise at all, it's kinda like giving to get.

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