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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    And so, in that, Lista, is it the notes, the tempo OR the vibrations that are released into the atmosphere and received by that child?

    That's kind of a rhetorical question, because, to me, it doesn't matter. It's the results, in this case, in the natural, but there still could be a spiritual component to it. Yes? No?
    Not spiritual in the way that we used it. It was all behavior based. We used the music because it helps you to memorize things, and memorizing good behavior is the goal. :)

    Does that mean that music can't be spiritual? Absolutely not...I believe it very much can.

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    Lista, just to clarify. I wasn't suggesting that people are taught in music therapy theory, that certain sound waves or fequencies are used in music therapy, but that there are scriptural examples of God using music in specific manners, and that the explanation is that music exists and it can bring healing as God leads and anoints.

    But I was also under the impression that there are modalities of music therapy being used in hospice and hospitals that are outside of the realm of being used in the manner you are talking about. I do agree and think that music therapy is awesome for use in the manner you are talking about. I mean....when we sing scripture, for example, it's so much easier to memorize. Same with the alphabet when we are learning.

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    carrying on with it.

    Catchy...you mentioned music therapy. That was my major my first 2 years of college. It really isn't about vibrations, and the music in and of itself, so much as it is about using the music to produce the correct behaviors....i.e. with autistic children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatchyUsername View Post
    Lista, just to clarify. I wasn't suggesting that people are taught in music therapy theory, that certain sound waves or fequencies are used in music therapy, but that there are scriptural examples of God using music in specific manners, and that the explanation is that music exists and it can bring healing as God leads and anoints.

    But I was also under the impression that there are modalities of music therapy being used in hospice and hospitals that are outside of the realm of being used in the manner you are talking about. I do agree and think that music therapy is awesome for use in the manner you are talking about. I mean....when we sing scripture, for example, it's so much easier to memorize. Same with the alphabet when we are learning.
    And there very well may be what you're suggesting. Our practicums only extended to autistic children, and at risk girls. I got out of music therapy because it was SO new agey (and no that is not an endorsement for the OP) but when they started talking about guided imagery, and finding your spiritual guide I was done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    And there very well may be what you're suggesting. Our practicums only extended to autistic children, and at risk girls. I got out of music therapy because it was SO new agey (and no that is not an endorsement for the OP) but when they started talking about guided imagery, and finding your spiritual guide I was done.
    This thread keeps reminding me of Ezekiel 33's (the poster) resolve to stick with what is clearly lain out as doctrine in the New Testament in relation to the New Covenant. That is a good place to start, as a Christian. And a good place to fall back to. There is way too much going on in terms of mixing extra-biblical information into Biblical accounts, often involving relatively obscure passages from the Old Testament and then allowing the result of that to affect Christian doctrine and practices. There might be such a thing as being "new age to new agers" to expound on the possibilities of Pauls' thinking on the matter of being able to relate to sinners, but that is dangerous ground and should be left to those with a specific calling for that sort of thing. In general, preaching the Word is what we are called to. The Word has its own internal emphasis and the introduction of all kinds of extra-biblical things quickly skews that emphasis in all kinds of directions that do not harmonize with the full message of the Word. Where is the power ? It is found in the Word and not in all kinds of esoteric knowledge found elsewhere and then employed with the intention of "enhancing" the message and the result may well be that it instead becomes diluted and skewed.

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    And there very well may be what you're suggesting. Our practicums only extended to autistic children, and at risk girls. I got out of music therapy because it was SO new agey (and no that is not an endorsement for the OP) but when they started talking about guided imagery, and finding your spiritual guide I was done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    This thread keeps reminding me of Ezekiel 33's (the poster) resolve to stick with what is clearly lain out as doctrine in the New Testament in relation to the New Covenant. That is a good place to start, as a Christian. And a good place to fall back to. There is way too much going on in terms of mixing extra-biblical information into Biblical accounts, often involving relatively obscure passages from the Old Testament and then allowing the result of that to affect Christian doctrine and practices. There might be such a thing as being "new age to new agers" to expound on the possibilities of Pauls' thinking on the matter of being able to relate to sinners, but that is dangerous ground and should be left to those with a specific calling for that sort of thing. In general, preaching the Word is what we are called to. The Word has its own internal emphasis and the introduction of all kinds of extra-biblical things quickly skews that emphasis in all kinds of directions that do not harmonize with the full message of the Word. Where is the power ? It is found in the Word and not in all kinds of esoteric knowledge found elsewhere and then employed with the intention of "enhancing" the message and the result may well be that it instead becomes diluted and skewed.
    You were responding directly to what I wrote about my music therapy practicums which had absolutely nothing to do with my religion or church. Were you just free-styling, or making a direct response to my post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    You were responding directly to what I wrote about my music therapy practicums which had absolutely nothing to do with my religion or church. Were you just free-styling, or making a direct response to my post?
    I was responding to this :

    I got out of music therapy because it was SO new agey (and no that is not an endorsement for the OP) but when they started talking about guided imagery, and finding your spiritual guide I was done.
    Which lead me to say something about the concept of being "new age to new agers". Everything I said wasn't a response to your post. My post began with "this thread keeps reminding me of....."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    And there very well may be what you're suggesting. Our practicums only extended to autistic children, and at risk girls. I got out of music therapy because it was SO new agey (and no that is not an endorsement for the OP) but when they started talking about guided imagery, and finding your spiritual guide I was done.
    Wise decision!

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    If you play this music even Baptists will get drunk in the Holy Spirit.

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    I know I was healed of a migraine by the vibrations of the frying pan when my wife hit me on the head under divine leading

    Poor frying pan !

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